Quote: "...we have bigger needs than Oline (QB,CB,WR, then Oline)..IMO...." Drafting skill players before they can be adequately protected and put in a position to be successful is folly. The line of scrimmage is where the NYJs are losing football games. Not in the backfield, and not flying down the field. The line of scrimmage has been a laughing stock for the NYJs for too long. Nothing matters more to the success of this team than dominating both sides of the line of scrimmage. Until you have paid the price in every way to succeed there, the NYJs will not win many games, in my view.
If Dorsey ever got to 6, Jet would grab him. Many rank him the best player in the whole draft. Fit or no fit, they'd grab him.
Been away, now back. Everyone can make an argument why as to draft/not draft a player. We're all experts now,but that doesn't matter any more, if it ever does. Sit back and enjoy the ride, less than 24 hrs to go before we upgrade. Celebrate being a Jets fan :jets:
wonderlic isn't exactly something you put high stock into unles its a QB, this isn't a spelling bee u know
Jason Fabini - 4th round Kareem McKenzie - 2nd round You can get quality tackles without having to reach for them. If the consensus on a guy is he's a pick in the 10-20 range, and there are 6 available players that are being grouped as a grade higher than the choices from 7 on down, you take one of the higher grade players or trade down. And if you don't, you will be lambasted and lampooned for a long time. (see Kyle Brady over Sapp, Ken O'Brien over Marino, Brian Thomas over Ed Reed, etc) I just don't want to hear the SOJ crap again.
abyz you really screwed this thread. lots of trash talk and insults too. i agree that clady would be a bad pick there. fact is you have brought in proven players on the OL, they have ALREADY PROVEN THEMSELVES IN THE NFL. ryan clady has NOT. you do need depth on the OL, this depth is not something you want to take at 6, ok so he will be a starter then. so then we are paying someone quite a bit of starter money to be a backup. not good football sense. ok sure you push woody down to guard, i would like that but not at the expense of a #6 pick no way no how. clady to me is a big big reach at 6. the jets would be much better served with rivers at 6 as he is much less of a reach and fills a bigger need at this point in franchise history. im sure you will have some derogatory comments towards me feel free it doesnt bother me. i used to look at you as a pretty good poster but recently your posts have been filled with anger and tirades and personal attacks and not alot of substance. i also agree that people are putting way too much on the "character issues" of darren mcfadden. as yes many many people have made mistakes such as oh i dont know getting into fights and having sex, and even getting girls pregnant. that would be much less an issue in my book than if the guy can play.
I could give 2 shits about McFadden's personal life, that is something for the scouts and coaches and FO to worry about, I'm just not sure he will be as successful as a lot of other people do at the pro level. People try comparing him to all-around backs and he isn't even close to being comparable. On the OL front, Damien Woody is far from proven, he's only has a couple of solid seasons and has been shifted around on the line more than you want to see from a guy that you're bringing in to start. That's a textbook stopgap. Damien Woody is not the answer at RT. If we draft Clady, you and djak can sit there scratching your heads while he starts the majority of the year. I agree with the Rivers comment, and I am not on the bandwagon to draft Clady or any other O-lineman in round one, but I'm not going to 'stop watching football and switch to lacrosse' if they keep paying attention to the most important unit on the field. And about your criticisms of my 'recent' behavior. Only recently I called you on your bullshit comments calling people racists for not wanting us to bring in Daunte Culpepper, so spare me, man.
I like Clady... but not @ 6! If we really want him we should trade down considering Long, Dorsey, McFadden, Gholsten, or Ryan will be there for the #6 pick. There are specific teams that are obsessed with each of those guys. If we want him make a trade & pick up some extra picks... another 2nd would be great with the depth in this draft...
We need an impact player at 6. http://www.draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=PlayerProfile2&id=711 This is the kind of guy that puts the nail in the coffin.
the mcfadden comment was directed toward djak. woody is far more proven than anyone in this draft. i dont recall that, i got alot of flak about that from alot of people. if you were a part of that doesnt make any difference to me. call them bullshit but its something i had seen in a number of threads on this board and it became quite frustrating so i commented on it. look at your posts on this thread, look at your posts in the last 2 weeks and tell me if your posting habits havent changed. like i said i used to have quite a bit of respect for your insight, now i really dont, you ruined this thread with your insults and trash talk, djak did nothing more than come back at you. ok so lets move on and actually converse now that we have all that behind us. i think that rivers would be a very nice pick with the top tier off the board. i would much rather him than a cb especially at 6. i just dont see clady being a difference maker that a #6 pick should be, i could definitely see him being the d-rob type, a good player who never really lived up to where he was drafted i dont want to see that happen to this team. he would in my opinion be far from best player available and we may disagree on the need side of it but he just does not fill one of the HUGE needs on this team. we NEED depth we dont necessarily need another top 10 pick on the line. its just too much money tied up in the line, we have a ton of money already tied up there. if we truely do need another starter on the OL then we need to find ourselves one of those diamonds in the rough or hope that a guy can get coached into being a bit more of a mauler than we had last year. i dont see it as a MAJOR need on this team to have a new RT on the team to start this year. sure i would love a huge new mauler to start at RT and move woody to RG but i just think there are much bigger needs at this point. however i will not argue with a 3rd or 4th used on a RT with the potential big upside at some point under callahan.
DINNG, DING, DING Are we ready for Round 2? Jesus, Abyz, cut that guy some slack. I think Djak has done well defending himself, what with him being a f*ckin moron...
The thing to remember about this draft is that it has no great players in it. Jake Long was the closest thing to a great player and he'd have been the 4 or 5 pick in most recent drafts. That's the argument for just sitting at 6 and taking the best player who drops and fills a need. Trading up for a good player is a fool's errand when you're going to get somebody 99.5% as valuable as him just by sitting and waiting. Trading down to 10 would be golden because realistically every player from 2 to 10 is actually a 5 to 10 quality player in a normal draft.
