A few things would happen if they truly were in jeopardy of not selling out. First, before the season even starts, they'd make unsold former "season" tickets available to the general public on an individual game by game basis. This would open up a market that for the most part hasn't existed for the past twenty three years. A large amount seats will get sold to the fan who never before had the ability to purhase tix to 1 or 2 games. Yankee tickets are priced well out of the market as well, yet just about every ticket to 81 home games gets sold. While season ticket holders make up the majority, it is that guy in the Bronx or other part of the metro area who can only afford to go once or twice a season that fills the gap. That dynamic doesn't exist for the Jets right now. But if season ticket subscribers evaporated, then single buyers would step up. Second, the Jets are a corporation with a lot of corporate "friends". So is CBS and so is the NFL, with their corporate office right in the heart of Manhatten. New York is still the business capital of the world with thousands of business partmners headquartered right there. If it is in the Jets, CBS' and the NFL's corporate best interest to see that the remaining tickets are sold, then they will figure out a way to get it done. If economic conditions deteriorate to the point where massive amount of fans are not buying tickets, then every team in every sport in this country will be hurting and you will see blackouts in most cities.
What does " for the most part" mean and who says they can not make it expire in 5 years. I have been told that the Giants are going to do that by someone that works in the office. How are they going to make me pay 5k for the right to buy a $85 ticket and joe blow can but the ticket for $85 5 days before the game. And when a season ticket holder wants to sell his ticket to his buddy, what is he going to charge hs buddy, $85. No way man. Please provide your data that a PSL is an asset or are you just passing off some NFL bullshit. Asset!!! Jet tickets??? Make money? PLEASE
They can not sell indvidual tickets at the same price that season ticket holders paid People who paid the PSL's would flip. The Yankees do not have PSL's. Could someone please chime in or is it me. if it is, I will stop and just save this link till next year. The jets are worried. No one I know is going to pay the PSL's
Here's a link to Wikipedia which explains the PSL concept a bit better (I'm not sure of the rules for posting if i can do this but i am sure someone will remove it if I can't). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Seat_License The reason that people will pay the PSL is that there (in a perfect market) will always be value to it. It typically does not expire (there is always an exception to the rule somewhere but I would estimate that 95% don't expire). The people who paid the PSL's always have that value. The individual ticket holder doesn't. That is why you can go on e-bay right now and buy season tickets for the Jets for about $1,000 each, but if you want the rights, it will cost you 5 times that. There is value to simply having the tickets in your name.
Most fans under 25 forget the black out days but it can happen. At some point "joe average fan" has had enough and will cease to be a ticket holder. This will be happening sooner then later. As we post away here there is a recession occuring right now in this country.People can't afford to pay $4 a gallon for gas and PSL's for a team that hasn't made a SB in 40 years. The Golden goose has stopped laying eggs it's time for Woody and Jay Cross to wake up before he kills the Golden Calf.
If you have friends that have season tix, ask them how much they would want for you to just buy 1 ticket (seat) for the entire 2008 season. Then ask them how much for them to transfer the ticket into your name. That amount is the "Asset" that your friend holds.
SEC 314 - You are correct in that there will be an outcry when the PSL's are announced. You are also probably correct in the the Jets are at least a bit concerened about how this is going to play out. My responses are not to be diagreeable, but to point out there are alternatives if the stadium doesn't sellout season tickets or PSL's. But the Jets/Giants just hired a new CEO for the new stadium. Part of his responsibility is to formulate a PSL plan. Not all seats in a stadium have to be tied to a PSL and you can have differnt price levels for PSL's. Dallas has a wide range of plans in their new stadium. The NYTimes had an article this weekend about PSL plans around the sports nation. It's agood read. the link is below. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/sports/football/22seat.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin
As far as I can remember, the "Blackout Rule" was practised by local TV stations to "protect" the NFL. If they hadn't sold out their tickets, the "blackout" was slapped on that event by the local channel (sometimes at the last minute... because I can remember saying "Shit, if this game's not sold out, it won't be televised in 15 minutes"). It was done as part of their contractual arrangement at the time. Those days disappeared with "sold out" events. The NFL announced they had sold all their season tickets to us suckers, and the TV channels basically didn't have anything to worry about... and every game was automatically televised after that. The only way this same "Blackout" could rear it's ugly head is for the NFL to not be completely sold out and for the NFL to also beseach the TV producers to cooperate and once again black out the games. But they'd have to have that in their airing rights and contractual agreements with the televising channels ahead of time, which is highly unlikely. The NFL is not about to admit to the world that they can't sell out a game, or that their PSLs are just not going to fly. Before that happens, the bean-counter lawyers will get involved and avoid the embarrassment by offering lesser seats to those on a waiting list for zero or close to zero PSLs.
There is plenty of times we have 2 extra tickets and we can't give them away unless we are playing the Pats or Steelers or the Dolphins when they are good. For most Jet games, you can get tickets in front of the stadium 10 minutes before the game for 1/2 price. Most games, there are at LEAST 5k empty seats except for opening day and when we play the above teams. Jet seasons are not Giant seasons, they are for pleasure, not investment. You people that sit at home and make these judgements make me laugh.
Can you post one comment here without throwing a jab at someone else when you don't even know who they are? Take a deap breath, think about what you want to write, and then.....type. You did not answer my question. All I want you to do is ask anyone you know how much it will cost you for 1 seat for the entire 2008 season. Then, ask how much it will cost to actually transfer the tickets into your name. Your buddy will want money just for the transfer.
My tickets are worth what I pay for them and not $1.00 more . No one in their right mind would pay extra to have my season tickets. We are not a hot property in this area. Their are 40,000 real jet fans at the game and the rest come late and leave early. Its like buying a car. As soon as you drive it off the lot, they depreciate. I told you the reality of it. You can get Jet tickets for 1/2 price at the gate and its impossible to get someone to pay for a single game and hard to give them away. They are not an investment no way. I am sorry if i seemed obnoxious but I have have strong feelings about having to give up my tickets up after 29 years so rich people can get richer and for someone to tell me that my tickets are worth X amount when I know they ain't worth shit.
Point taken. I just want to show you one more thing. Go to the tickets section within e-bay and do a search on Jets. You'll see a few 2008 season tickets for sale for about $1K to $1.5k or so. But, if you want the rights, it is much more expensive. Some people are even selling just the rights (which is just for the person to change the name on the invoice), and then the buyer of the right has to send the Jest the 2008 (and beyond) season ticket amount.
I could be wrong but, just because someone lists something on e-bay does not mean someone is willing to pay it. Also, remember people are going to try to dump their tickets and get some $ for them before the PSL' s come in affect because they can not afford them and then you get nothing in return. Well, not much else to say, maybe I am reading to much into the PSL's$50 wait list return, CEO for new stadium, $ for free agents or maybe I am not. I guess all we can do is worry about this years team and when it comes it comes.
Sorry U are totally incorrect on the blackout. Having lived in SE Florida for 10 years I can tell you there were many, many times the blow holes flirted with a blackout because they had not sold out all the tix 72 hours prior to the game. If there was a small amount remaining Publix who was a blow hole sponsor would buy the remaining tix & distribute them to the the so called "needy" of S. Florida. If there were a lot left like for an Indy PO game they would not & the game was BLACKED OUT. Yes it was not shown on local TV. So 314 scenario is really very, very accurate & I can actually see it occurring based on what the actual PSL amount per sat charge will be. Oh yes my bro lives in the Bay area & says that many an Oak home game has also been blacked out there because they to have not sold out
I believe the NYJ changed the policy several years back & you are no longer allowed to transfer tix from say you to someone else. I do not know if that policy also applies to within the family
just got off the phone with the New York Jets yes you can transfer your season tickets to ANYONE YOU LIKE friends family anyone decision on PSL's will be finilized in the next 9 months.(its like waiting for a baby)cost as much too new season ticket holders are given corner end zones renewing season ticket holders who request upgrades are given priority before new season ticket holders.
I'm not in agreement with everything that 314 says, but I believe he's right on future season ticket transfers. I think all this talk of PSLs will dampen the "blue sky" amount someone is willing to pay to have tickets transferred into their name. In other words, many months ago, someone might have been willing to pay me, say, $3,000 to sign off my tickets to them. They'd still have to pay the renewal fee when it's due this May, but they'd then have their own tickets, in their name, and be off and running with them. But now, given the possibility that I might be hit with a serious PSL, I believe they'd be much less willing to do that until they see how this PSL thing shakes out. It's interesting though. If someone (currently) would be willing to pay me say, $3,000 for the priviledge of having me sign my tickets over to them, is this "blue sky" not almost the same thing as a PSL, really? Think about it.
9 months will probably turn into a year or more, but at least they were willing to give you a timeframe on when such a decision would come down. I think the waiting and speculation is going to be worse than the actual announcement.
The upside is you can save up for the PSL, i feel for you guys... i want season tickets but with all of this financial BS i can't see myself stepping in now. IF you guys were to ever sell them to someone else, add in a PSL fee as well, its just business.
Yep in simple terms yes if you wanted to make money you should have sold the transfer of them some years back before the ugly PSL thingy hit the airwaves. Now I agree that is impossible. It is sought of like buying a stock at its peak & then watching it plunge 80-90%
