Mortensen Calls Us "Big Winners"

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  1. Trey Ko

    Trey Ko New Member

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    The big question is.......

    The Jets did well, I ignore most of the so-called experts
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Haha...how could they not like Anderson? How can that be? He threw for 3800 yards and 29 TDs against 19 picks and did it in 15 games. In comparison, Peyton Manning threw for 4000 yards and 31 TDs in 16. They prefer somebody who I'm not sure even stepped on the field last year?
     
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  3. ScotsJet

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    Huh? They let him score. If he goes down short of the endzone the Browns run out the clock and win, letting him score allowed us a shot at coming back, which nearly paid off. All the defenders were trying to do there was strip the ball.
     
  4. ScotsJet

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    Perhaps his c.80 QB rating is a clue.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    That would be an idiotic reason. You look at the production and the wins to determine if a QB is helping or hurting you. He got tthrown to the wolves in week 2 last year, effectively as a rookie and a third string backup. All he did was lead them to 10 wins. Oh, and people here love Clemens and his 52.0 QB rating.
     
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  6. NDmick

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    Clemens doesn't have the team that Anderson does. That's not even fair.
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    No, it' s not. Just making a point about fan bases and their thinking. But a 52 is a 52 and no QB in the NFL had a lower rating than that last year and there were some really bad QBs on some reall bad teams last year, even worse that the Jets were.
     
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  8. ScotsJet

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    10 wins? Like Chad did in 2006? That worked out well for us going forward.
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Huh? What on earth does that have to do with it? We made the playoffs in '06 I thought. The fact the FO was a bunch of complete fools in the off season and wasted their draft and FA is nobody's fault but their own.
     
  10. ScotsJet

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    I'm saying 10 wins does not guarantee you a productive QB going forward. Look at Baltimore and all the games they won in 2006, same QBs came back and they were rubbish. Anderson isn't as good as he's made out to be.
     
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    I'd agree with you that the FO was foolish last off-season- exhibiting the type of arrogance that the gorgeous Laurie Dhue termed "hubris" in her description of Spitzer last night.

    I'd also agree that they struck out on FAs last year.

    But why do you think they "wasted their draft"? They obtained two very good to excellent defensive players who should be part of the nucleus for a while. You may not agree with their approach to the draft, but I dont think they wasted their picks last year.
     
  12. rmagedon

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    First off, Cleveland fans are retarded if they're unhappy that the Browns kept Derek Anderson. Period.

    Second off, these are two more retarded things I've ever seen posted on here in a short time about Derek Anderson.

    Eli Manning had a QB Rating of 73.9 throwing 23TD and 20INT's. Derek Anderson had a QB Rating of 82.5, threw 29TD's and 19INT's. The other 3 QB's ahead of him in touchdowns was Tom Brady (50), Big Ben (32) and Peyton Manning (31). Last time I checked, you win the games by how many touchdowns you can have to outscore your opponents.

    Just to put your QB Rating in perspective, Chad Pennington finished the (short) season with a QB Rating of 86.1.

    Signing Derek was good move because it gives them options at QB with Quinn holding the clipboard.
     
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    Shit! I'd take Derek Anderson over Chad Pennington right now!!!
     
  14. ScotsJet

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    I never said they were right to be disappointed, I just said those may be reasons why they were. Personally I don't rate Anderson all that highly, but I've only seen him in a few games, so I don't have all the information I need to be certain in my determination.

    TBH, I'm a little pissed off at your calling my statements retarded. Let's look at them a little more closely:

    You confirm in your post that his rating was 82.5, which I am going to say is c.80, thanks. You add that Chad had an 86 rating, which if anything supports my view that it may be a reason the Cleveland support would be dissatisfied with Anderson - not so much for the rating itself, which is a highly suspect way of working anything out about a QB, but by the fact that despite that TD:INT ratio and despite all the wins, he was doing something to keep the rating down.

    In what way is that retarded? Did Chad not win 10 games in 2006? Did he not then suck in 2007? 'Twas merely a response to the 'wins are everything' post shortly beforehand. I'm sure you'll agree that listing QBs by wins won't necessarily see the best QBs at the top in any given season and if you don't, then perhaps you should look a little closer to home for retardation.
     
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    So what you decide to do was, put on your dick tracy hat and investigate why the Browns fans are "unhappy" with the signing of Anderson. So, naturally, u scrolled at the stats and saw...oh wait! QB Rating. That's GOTTA be it. That's "logical".
    I'll give you some logic. How about Browns fans just wanting to see a good ol' native from OH take the reigns of a team he wanted to play for since he was a little boy? That's why they want to see Quinn take to the field so badly. When in reality, it was a Titans win who kept the Browns out of the playoffs due to the Colts resting their starters in the 2nd half. You think Browns fans would've been unhappy with the Anderson signing had the Browns made it to the Playoffs?!


    I don't know. If you gave Chad the Browns '07 OL, i'd say you'd have a different outcome. You're right. A 'W' in the win columns don't necessarily mean they're great QB's, but I'll tell you what, I'm willing to bet that 9 times out of 10, the teams who win their division did it with W's in their columns and they are all usually the same performers in Manning, Brady, Big Ben, Hasselbeck, Favre, etc.
     
  16. ScotsJet

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    Nope, I knew his QB rating and suggested it as a possible reason they were unhappy. Ask Jets looking for DWare for a better analysis, he just posted one in a thread somewhere...
     
  17. Don

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    It was Anderson's first full year as a starter... Lets wait until he is 30 games into his career to make a full analysis... Knowing the Browns, someone is getting injured and Anderson will have a sophomore slump.
     
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    Adam Schein after last Decembers Pats game "If Adrien Clarke is the answer, I dont know what the question is"
     

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