With the signing of Pace, a SLB, we could then move Thomas back to the position he excelled in during his contract year of 06, WLB. Our starting LB corps would seemingly be set with Pace-Harris-Barton-Thomas. At the 6 Pick, I would LOVE Gholston, and wouldn't be opposed to drafting him even if we sign Pace, but doesn't anyone see us drafting one of the DTs (S. Ellis or G. Dorsey, assuming they are available at 6?) I was just thinking about things and I realized that back in 2001 i believe, Mangini's teacher, BELLICHICK, ironically had the SIXTH PICK in the draft, and he drafted a player who played DT in college, Richard Seymour, and moved him to RDE in his 34 defense. Does anyone else see the parallels??? We have the 6 pick. If we sign Pace, would Tangini believe that upgrading RDE from K. Coleman would then be a bigger need than adding another pass rush specialist at the already upgraded OLB unit??? Lol does anyone else see us drafting Sedrick Ellis or Glen Dorsey (or even Philip Merling, who at the 290 he arrived at during the combine, would probably have the bulk to play 34 DE)???? Oh and PS why does it say "Bench Warmer" under my account name?
The difference is that Seymor was a great fit and had the talent. There?s noone this year, that has top 10 talent and fits the 34 DL. No, we won?t draft a DT. edit: i thought Merling was around 275 at the combine???
lol, it says Bench warmer because you havent posted enough posts yet... But Yeah Dorsey would be a great fit playing next to K.Jenkins in the 3-4, but still... If Gholston is on the board... He must become a Jet, we need that S.Merriman, D.Ware type of 3-4 players, and V.Gholston can be just that, he's more than hype... The kid has amazing talent and potential
Give me one reason why Dorsey is a great fit for us! He doesn?t fit at all. He may be able to make a good DE, but i don?t want to find that out with the 6th pick. He?ll never be as good in a 34 as he is in a 43.
No, taking a DT at #6 would not be a smart move, it would not be a smart move at all. The only way someone would even be able to make an argument for it is if the Jets trade Robertson. Then, they'd, in effect, be replacing Robertson (a bad fit) with a (slightly) younger Robertson (a bad fit) in Dorsey. And just flat forget about Ellis, he's a guy that couldn't even get his playing weight to 300 when he was at SC.
and Seymour is 6'6" while ellis and dorsey are 6". They are probably too short to dominate at DE and you need a dominant player at #6...
Both Dorsey and Ellis have more similar measurements to DRob than they do to Seymour. Neither one of them is taller than 6-1, seymour is 6-5. They are prototypical 4-3 DTs. I believe they could be successful in our system, but not 6th overall success. It would be an injustice to both those guys to not use them in a 4-3. Ideally, I think we trade down. Because despite these newly aquired players, we still have many holes. And Jenkins and Faneca are currently blinding our sight into them.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If Dorsey falls to us at 6 we have to pick him. Our front seven would be amazing at that point. He would be a perfect end in our 3-4 formation.
the difference is that Seymour is 6'-6" or 6'-7" around 290+ when he came out Dorsey and Ellis are 6' & 6'-1''....way too short just like D Rob... NOT A FIT
Im not Mangini, but I see the holes we have... In no specific order A slot WR A pass rushing threat from the outside because Thomas is not the guy a #2 CB opposite of Revis. Im not high on Miller, Barrett, Coleman or Poteat a RT, Lets get Olivea or Woody because Clement can get our QB hurt RG, Is Moore really the answer? RDE- Is Coleman the player we want next to K.Jenkins? Another safety because Elam is god awful in coverage I see 7 holes... Other than that, I really dont see any huge holes other than maybe Punter, but who knows.
Aaah yes, very true, very true, both Ellis and Dorsey are both around only 6', as opposed to seymour who's a big 6'5'' or 6'6'' or something around that. So now ellis and dorsey probably definitely wouldn't be good fits at 34 DE b/c they're basically similar 43 DTs as D-Rob is and the biggest knock on D-Rob playing 34 DE is that he's too short, and those 2 guys may even be shorter than D-Rob......that being said as i stated in my first post i'd rather see us going after gholston with the 6th or trading down with someone to grab at least an extra second rounder and with those picks getting groves for olb, dre moore for DE (a college dt, this guy has the height and weight 6'4'' 305 to play de in the 34 and i really like him, also he ran likke a 4.88 40 which is pretty phenomenal for his size) and with the other second rounder, maybe a CB or a WR like manningham
at this rate with dorsey free-falling, then we could take gholston and then try and trade back into the first round and grab dorsey later...
Brandon Moore plays RG actually. Of All people, you should know that your lover Alan Faneca plays LG. Nobody gives Brandon Moore ANY credit. Curtis Martin was the rushing king in 2004 with nearly 1700 yards...who was our RG that season? Brandon Moore...
Ok... I think I know the Moore plays RG... Just go look at my other threads before this one... Why would I consider LG a hole when we just signed Faneca? Its called a mistake, sorry, lol Calling Alan Faneca my lover because im in love with the fact that the Jets are improving the trenches?
Ok yeah... Im an A.Faneca lover, where is my Faneca avatar? You know what? I think im gonna go get one as of right now, now thinking about it. Ur a V.Gholston lover, and he's not even a Jet
It's amazing, really, that after all the clamoring here about how awful Dewayne Robertson is, people are praying we draft a Robertson clone. I'm all for putting ourselves in a position to draft the best player available. I'd love to see us able to take a corner or trade down or do any number of things. As much as I like Gholston, and I'm not thrilled with the prospect of him ending up in New England, it would be nice to go into the draft simply hoping we can fill a hole. -X-
I hope either Gholston OR McFadden are off the board when the Jets pick, thats why its importand for us to Sign Pace as a backup just in case Gholston is off the board. I really dont wanna see Gholston AND McFadden on the board, that means the Patriots will be getting one of the two. No way I wanna see Gholston with A.Thomas, V.Wilfork and company... And no way I wanna see T.Brady with Maroney, Moss, Welker AND McFadden.
I'm wondering a little bit about Chris Long as a 3-4 strongside linebacker. He's 6'4" and 275 lbs and ran a 4.75 40 at the combine and did very well in the agility events. I think Parcells would draft him to play 3-4 lb in a heartbeat. Not sure how our somewhat muddled talent evaluation process will rate him.
