I thought he handled Schobel this year. But sometimes these sacks occur because the center of the line collapses and forces the QB into the hands of the outside rusher. Sometimes he is doing his job but the rest of the line collapses and the QB steps into the DE.
i hope so badly your prediction is right, bc if it is then we get 1400+yds out of tj, and that will add up to wins
Im not sold but I dont think he is a bust we overlook the fact that he is very healthy so he is not horrible
I cant stand when people call D'Brick a bust he plays the hardest position on the Line week in and week out he faces elite pass rushers look at who he faced this year: Jason Taylor 2x Aaron Schobel 2x Richard Seymour 2x Michael Strahan Jared Allen James Harrison Kyle Vande Bosch he fces some top guys and dint get beat too often
Normally, I quote the retards to laugh at their sheer stupidity......... this time I am going to quote most of the reasonable thinking Jet fans in this thread. I am going to go on record and say............ anyone calling Brick a bust is an utter retard that does not know the definition of the word, does not know wtf it is they are watching during a football game and is not smart enough to warrant a response....................... edit: If I missed a decent response, sorry..........
Was he worth the 4th pick? Not to this point but the jury is still out on him. He has been very solid and I am very eager to see how he plays next to a great guard like Fancea. He showed great promise next to Kendall 2 years ago and think that much of his problems last year were related to the revolving door at LG.
i started this poll to see if you guys thought he would become a star, not to argue what he is right now, just for clarification i think he will be very good if a guy like faneca lines up next to him, but is he the next jonathan ogden? i dont think so, not unless he bulks up
Dbrick was a waste of a #4 pick 1st time long time and brand new to the board. Can we build a team for once. Should have went w/ AJ Hawk and build an elite D Or traded down. But I know from reading the board the majority wanted Dbrick. What a waste of a #4 pick. In all my years as a Jet it seems this organization is afraid to be good. Watch this years draft as a great example. I pray every year that will change but it always seems to be something stupid as we all know. I know its a new regime but's its always a new regime. Aren't you Jets fans tired of rebuilding. Every few years they throw us a bone and then back to reality. The front office doesn't understand the draft. Mel Kiper said it best w/ Jeff Lageman pick. Jolley trade a few years back. Picking a PK in RD 2, etc, etc etc. I pray we bring in some talent and build a team. Not for nothing but Sean Ellis catches no flack. Big bucks w/ no production. Not for nothing but this board has got to stop w/ Pennington. W/ him at the controls our O is so limited. Can we get a playmaker. Haven't had one since Joe Willie and I didn't even see him. Anyways maybe we'll make an impact in FA, trade Vilma and have a great draft. Seems too easy.
did you just become a Jets fan last year? While the Jets have never made a real run at the Super Bowl oustside the 98 season, they are consitently in the playoffs Was picking Mike Nugent in the 2nd round really that dumb? he's a very good kciker and at that time we were a FG away form the AFC championship game and yet you complain they are always rebuilding... i consider that a move to try and get over the hump Shaun Ellis no production? In 7 seasons the guy has 53.5 sacks. that's pretty good. DBrick was a waste? have you not read anything on the board? hes a second year LT. ITS NOT AN EASY POSITION. AND HES PRETTY GOOD AT IT i think youve been hanging out with ricky williams too much
Sorry for the confusion Maybe I should say Dbrick is good, but for the $ and #4 pick you can get the same production from a 3rd rd pick. W/ all the hoopla RE Brick I was thinking more like a Joe Thomas, Bruce Mcneil(SD Pick same yr) just a bit pissed. All that cash and we can't even run on his side. Please , stop sticking up for the guy, so far he is not performing. Just makes me pissed. And Ellis has 12.5 sacks the last 3 yrs. That is not good. I think Harris equaled his sack #'s and he only had 9 starts....and he's a MLB. Yeah picking a K in Rd 2 is not good. You can get by w/ a K...albeit a marginal one in the later rounds, and draft a front 7 from either side of the ball. Thats all I am saying. Yeah we make the playoffs once in a while...maybe I'm just being greedy. I just feel the Jets do the wrong thing from an organizational standpoint like 90% of the time. I'm hoping it turns around. Maybe a Jenkins trade or something like that along w/ a Gholston type of guy in rd 1. Who knows maybe the Jets will step up. I'm hoping
Joe Thomas had Eric Steinbach playing next to him. I'd like to see what D'Brick could do playing with someone as good as Steinbach. We should see that next year if the Jets sign Faneca. Also, it's Marcus McNeil, and many have said he definitely took a step down this year. It's also not Ellis' job to get sacks. He's a 3-4 DE, 10 sacks in 2 years in the 3-4 is good.
Given the players available and the guy's obvious physical talent...of course he was! A true no-brainer. And then you get the added bonus of his character and his natural growth process. You know when you grow somebody big and ugly with chemicals they blow away quickly. But when you do it with the will and they just "eat the grass" and not the "fat marbling" grains, those muscles will just kill you. When we take a look at all the Pass Rushing Myths that he is confronted with week after week, DBrick is a stone cold lock for the HOF. Mark my words. He may not be a man mountain like Ogden but he has a lionheart and he will give a damn all along. DBrick: A Good Man.
Yeah, you can hardly make a case for AJ Hawk when you had a pro bowl linebacker in Vilma who is a way better athlete than Hawk. As it turned out, Vilma may not fit the 3-4 and maybe he will be traded, but I don't think Hawk translates into wins, either, with our defense. The problem with Brick is that we needed a LT badly, and he was seen as a can't miss prospect. He has been solid, but not better than McNeill, taken 46 picks later by the Chargers, 1 spot behind where we took Clemens. McNeill, in 2 years, has made the probowl twice, which cancels out the "can't make an impact" arguement right effing there. A lot of people passed on McNeill because of injuries, though. But, even with broken hands as a rookie, at 336lbs, he was a game changer who made the pro bowl as an alternate. Getting this 3rd hand so I can't speak to it's veracity, but the knock you hear about Ferguson is that he doesn't have the desire to be an elite player. I don't know if it's true or not, but there is a suggestion that football doesn't burn inside him, the way it does in some guys (like McNeill). O-line is about technique and strength, but it is also about just being nasty. Brick has the tools and the talent to make it in the NFL regardless, but he is not nasty. He should be very good one day, but he may never be elite. Again, grain of salt on that evaluation. That said, the Jets have a crap draft history, as we all know. Taking the safe o-lineman at # 4 and having him turn out to be good but not great isn't a tragedy of Blair Thomas/Ki-Jana Carter proportions. It's not like we're the Lions talking about WRs or something. If you could do it over again, you'd take Ngata or Cutler at # 4, then Mangold, then McNeill. But, you can't do it over again, so, I think we just ride Brick out for a few more seasons and hope that he eventually makes the jump to the next level when surrounded by better personnel. We can lament him all we want, but we have no one to replace him.
Quote: "...Getting this 3rd hand so I can't speak to it's veracity, but the knock you hear about Ferguson is that he doesn't have the desire to be an elite player..." Somebody deals you cards, you have to play them. DBrick is in a position, like it or not, where he is called out on every play. These last couple of years, he hasn't had the Faneca of help beside him either. Those cards and how you play them speak about your manhood. Whether you had the fire when you arrived or not, getting an ascetelene torch shoved in your face each week develops an attitude in you, one way or the other. The folks that DBrick must confront week in and week out are not indifferent -- they want to humiliate and otherwise decimate the man. It's not personal, just business. The game DBrick plays is not a neutral corner. He chose war, and he's fighting rather well. Whoever gave you his "third hand" information, well, let's just say, he could easily spare it.
I hear you, but every player reacts differently to that experience. Ricky Williams faced the same firing line each week, arguably worse considering his position, and decided to quit football to take up smoking weed full time, because he lacked that fire in his later years. It happens. For the record, I support the guy. I have a Ferguson jersey, and wear it on game day about half the time. I'm pulling for him. I just wish he was a bit nastier on Sundays. Again, if anyone thinks he is a bust now...for 2 seconds think about 2008 without him. If he pops an ACL game one, our season is over.
