Why, because he traded away players that don't fit the 3-4? He's beginning to build a strong team. If nothing is done during the draft and free agency, then you can call for his head. I have faith that the New York Jets will eventually become a dominant team running the 3-4.
Come on. This post doesn't even make any sense. The Jets are rumored to be trying to get value for guys that don't fit the schemes and you're complaining about round pegs and square holes? Looks to me like they're selling the round pegs.
Found this pretty good article by Cimini " February 26, 2008 Jets can't seem to hold their No. 1 picks The news that NT Dewayne Robertson is on the trading block, reported in today’s Daily News, means the Jets could be dealing two of their highest-drafted defensive players this offseason - Robertson and LB Jonathan Vilma. This would continue an alarming trend. The Jets treat their former first-round picks like disposable contact lenses: Use them for a while and throw ‘em out. Since 1998, five former No. 1s have been sent packing. That is not how you build a championship team. Your No. 1 picks should be the backbone of the roster. And it’s not like they’ve been trading away first-round busts. The Jets really haven’t had a first-round flop since TE Johnny Mitchell in 1992. They draft well, but can’t hold on to them. A look back at The Departed: DE Hugh Douglas (first round, 1995): He was traded to the Eagles for second- and fifth-round picks in 1998. A subsequent trade, on draft day, netted two more picks. In the end, they got four picks for Douglas - DE Dorian Boose, DB Kevin Williams, T Eric Bateman and LB Casey Dailey. In other words, a bunch of crap. Then-coach Bill Parcells and Douglas never hit it off, and Parcells and defensive coordinator Bill Belichick couldn’t find a place for him in the 3-4 defense. But Douglas went on to become a Pro Bowl player in Philly. Bad trade for the Jets. WR Keyshawn Johnson (first round, 1996): Traded to the Bucs in 2000 for two No. 1 picks. Parcells, running the front office at the time, pulled the trigger. It wasn’t a popular move, but it turned out to be an excellent trade. The Jets used the picks on LB/DE John Abraham and TE Anthony Becht. Johnson wound up winning a Super Bowl with the Bucs, so it worked out for him, too. Plus, he got a ridiculous amount of money from the Bucs. CB Aaron Glenn (first round, 1994): In salary-cap hell, the Jets wanted to dump salary, so they essentially “traded” Glenn (pictured) to the Texans in the 2002 expansion draft. They cut a deal with the Texans, who promised to pick Glenn if he was made available. This move was done by GM Terry Bradway. Outcome? Bad move for the Jets. Glenn still was in the prime of his career. WR Santana Moss (first round, 2001): This was another Bradway production, although the results were better than the Glenn move. In 2005, the Jets traded Moss to the Redskins, re-acquiring WR Laveranues Coles. This is one of those deals that worked out for both teams. Moss, considered too soft by some in the Jets’ organization, has blossomed in Washington. Coles has emerged as the heart of the Jets’ locker room, a tough receiver who should’ve made the Pro Bowl in 2006. DE John Abraham (first round, 2000): This was Mike Tannenbaum’s first big move as the GM. He took some heat for dealing the talented, but oft-injured pass rusher, but he received a first-round pick from the Falcons and used it on C Nick Mangold. Abraham’s injury woes have continued in Atlanta and Mangold is developing into a Pro Bowl player. Good trade. Over the years, the Jets also let three former No. 1 picks leave as free agents - TE Kyle Brady, LB James Farrior and TE Anthony Becht. The Jets need to start keeping their No. 1s. Otherwise, the product on the field starts to resemble No. 2."
Good point with the arms, but height isn't really an issue. He plays with the low center of gravity needed at NT, but doesn't disengage great or hold blockers at a distance while reading plays, like Ted Washington did so well. That said, he's our best option at NT for 08, and NT's are about the hardest position to replace outside of QB. Only legitimate reason to trade is to alleviate that 10mil cap hit, and apply toward Faneca or maybe even Samuel. Additionally we would have to get a damn good pick for DRob. He's only 26, has a good motor, and i think would GREATLY help a team like Denver. So if we do trade, we'd need to rely on Pouha to start 08, while spending probably a number 2 draft on Rubin. This would not be a terrible scenario. But as Rubin will take some time to grow into role, and Pouha still needs to show more, our line will undoubtedly take a step backward. However it might just be the step in the right direction for the future. Damn, i just talked myself into a disappointing 08. lol. Please tell me it's not so...
if we get rid of robertson we force ourselves to replace him...which is a good thing the replacement could be rogers, the San Fran NT, a rookie, or even jason ferguson if he is cut by dallas..there are options out there if the FO pushes the issue
Moving on from DRob after a trade would be essential, but not easily done. There are no FA's out there that would be anything but patchwork. Rogers is intriguing but definitely risky. Essentially, there are no FA's better than Robinson IMO. Drafting would be best option. Unfortunately, guys like an athletic 340lb Haloti Ngata don't come along often at all! Moving DRob will mean a step back for an already porous Dline in 08. So if we move him, we better get at minimum a decent 2nd rounder, and make NT like Rubin a priority, to have at least some shot at a proper 3-4 for future. For those who say move DRob, you may be right. But expect hard times in 08.
according to nfl.com...the ravens NT is the smallest of the 3 down lineman...kelly gregg now i know lineman rotate and that is what makes a good 3-4 dline combined with depth, but ngata at 340 is listed as the starting DE i would add a rookie who can play at DE and NT...possibly a FA DE...and a NT i think if the cowboys cut jason ferguson...that he would still be a good signing for depth along the line
when dallas had to go to ratliff(298 lbs) at NT their dline improved...he isnt a hampton/wilfork/or williams, but he is effective i dont think there is too much drawback to getting a guy like rogers or drafting an ellis or dorsey b/c even if they are 4-3 DTs...they could be used as DE's in our system imagine 300+ lbs coming off the edge
I don't know if this is true but I read that Adam Schefter of NFL network is reporting the Jets are involved in a 3 way deal w/ Det and Den and we'd acquire Rogers in the deal and Dewayne would go to Denver.
I'm asking for confirmation of Schefter reporting this. So far this rumor has been nothing more than pure rumor.
Unfortunately I can't. I heard it yesterday then this afternoon on another board someone mentioned Schefter reported it on NFLN. I am at work so I can't see NFLN. Maybe he was mistaken? I don't know. I guess we'll find out soon.
