Dorsey and Gholston tonight

It's hard to judge based on only one game. I think Jenkins and Doucet did very well for themselves. Gholston, Dorsey and Laurinaitis didn't have spectacular games, but their stock probably wasn't hurt by the contest. Jonathan Zenon, though not a top prospect, certainly showed why he's getting middling consideration at best for a day one pick.

 

Yeh i was all excited to watch Gholston and he didn't do shit.....maybe that's good?? Can we get him more easily or something now?

 

I thought that Gholston made some pretty nice plays but it may have been because I was specifically trying to watch him

 

Gholston was everywhere in the 1st qtr but then they schemed against him and he was less productive. RT and TE blocking against him made him less active, but every one on one with a Tackle he was a beast.

 

The only time I was impressed with Gholston was when he was standing up as a pass rushing OLB...which is exactly why we would draft him.

He was easily handled when he was playing as a down lineman, of course he was mostly lined up against a LT and OG, with the OG outweighing him by 100 lbs. (Herman Johnson #79), but that just solidified in my mind that in the NFL he would be an OLB.

I have not seen a lot of Gholston this year, but I have read alot about him, outside of TGG, and I was expecting a lot more from him. One game does not make or break a career, but I really wanted to see a stud out there last night that woulds have cemeneted, in my mind, taking him at #6. Unfortuantely that did not happen...And one big surprise to me was how poorly he looked playing in space. There were 3 instances I can quickly think of that he looked very stiff when in the open field trying to make a 1 on 1 tackle...

 

Like you I haven't seen much college football this year at all , but have tried reading about players that we are projected to draft.
I didn't think he did anything that would warrent a #6 pick. He looked sluggish and easily handled. Compared to Chris Long who looked like someone lit a fire under his ass.
At this point I would trade down and take Okam or Quentin Groves

 

I've been on the Chris Long bandwagon for sometime now. The biggest thing about him is exactly what you mention... he is always flying around the field. I watched the Virginia bowl game and Chris Long was always around the ball, that doesn't mean he made the tackle but he was always in the picture at the end of the play...that happens when you hustle

 

I highly doubt that Long will still be there , but you never know , but if.... I would take him in a flash. What he lacks in size he easily makes up with motor.

 

I couldn't agree more. It looked like he gave up on a whole bunch of plays. Sluggish is the perfect word. I was much more impressed with Chris Long even though I don't remember him having a statistically great game when I saw him. I like the idea of trading out of the #6 spot if both Longs are gone.

There are going to be quite a few guys in the low first-early second round that can help us. I'm thinking of Okam, Gosder Cherilous, Limas Sweed, etc.

 

How did Laurinaitis look last night? ESPN doesn't show defensive stats on its box score for college games and I missed the whole thing.

 

IMO - Laurinaitis didnt look good & neither did Gholston. I am assuming JL is supposed to call out the defensive signals, which didnt bode well for the Buckeyes. Saw him confused a lot. Of course LSU could have schemed a lot against the both of them, but I just didnt see that 6th draft pick impact player. But its hard to judge players on just 1 game - despite the fact that its a big game and the best show up in the big games.

I was more impressed, like a lot of posters, w/Chris Long in the U of Virginia bowl game.

 

Always seemed to be in or around the ball, which wasn't necassarily a good thing because none of them were for a loss (I think?). Has good smarts and dare I say it probably a player that Mangini would like.
If we picked him up , the only moan I would have is that its not a pressing need.

 

I've seen Dorsey play several times this year and he was a beast (even when hurt). He made a few plays last night, but not overly impressive, but I imagine they tried to game plan to take him out of the game. I still see him as a 4-3 DT, NOT a nose tackle.

1st time I tried to watch Gholston (haven't seen ohio state play this season, so honestly didn't know sheeot about him aside from what I read here) Didn't notice him a whole lot aside from occasional QB pressure, so......... I did fall asleep on the couch in the 4th qtr.

 

I think it was #93 Jackson that played next to him who looked good. Dorsey was regularly double teamed. I think he could transition to 34 NT easily

 

I agree that Gholston was less than impressive last night but if you watched him against Michigan, specifically when matched up against all-world LT Jake Long, there is still plenty to be excited about him. He was a monster in that game. Chris Long is probably more consistent and has the better motor and Gholston will have all the computer numbers but is less consistent.

As far as Long, is he an OLB or a DE? I've heard different opinions. Plus I've seen a big discrepency in his size...anywhere from 265 to 284. Anyone know what is accurate size is?

 

I think there's a major difference in terms of athleticism. Long is undersized on the end and inexperienced as a linebacker. No one knows how he'll fair in coverage situations, etc. Gholston has stood up in the past and is by all accounts, a physical freak. With the thought that you don't waste high picks on 3-4 defensive ends(we were once successful with Rick Lyle, people) I'd much prefer Gholston. The 3-4 is about the LINEBACKERS. You can find overweight space eaters a little further along.

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one thing to remember is, Gholston hadn't played in a month because of all the time off these teams get before the game. you'd think that that would be reason for him to have a lot of energy, but sometimes it's the opposite effect. i'm not trying to excuse him, rather explain, because most of the year, he was a beast.

and yea, there were times where his technique lacked and he looked stiff, but perhaps these are things that can be improved upon with proper coaching. he's still top 15 talent, and with a good combine and a great interview, that should warrant #6.

i guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

If that is the case, why did NE select everyone of thier starting defensive linemen in the first round? Do they not understand how to build a 3-4 defense?

We need the best player available at 6. If the staff finds that to be one of the Longs (well not howie) Ghoulston, or McFadden I'm not gonna bitch too much. We have so many holes your can argue need for any one of them.

 

Laurinaitis was afraid to hit anything on the other team. He was in position to make many plays and rather than attacking the ball carrier and ending the play for a loss or short gain, he sat back and allowed the back to pick up big yardage. I still don't see how Laurinaitis can warrant a 1st round pick. Never did. Woohoo, he has a lot of tackles. If he is afraid to collide with a pulling guard (much less a guard inside the box), then he doesn't belong in a 3-4 like a lot of people seem to want him to be.