Rob Ryan as new DC? Cam Cameron as new OC? This one might be jumping the gun on Schotty. I'm not in love w/BS, but I would be apt to give him just 1 more season to prove something.
Schott gets another year... it's as simple as this, with an offensive line, Scott - good... without an offensive line, Schott - bad.
Schott sucks, first season as coordinator good, tape on offensive scheme, sucks and cannot adjust. All you need to know about the DC and OC is looking at the 1st half points scored vs second half. That is all coaching. Cannot make halftime adjustments.
I disagree. The best coach in the NFL won't look that great when their QB is constantly running for his life and the RB is constantly getting dropped at or behind the LOS.
Don't even bother having the argument. People are dead-set in their opinions of Schotty already. Forget the job he did resurrecting the career of one Drew Brees, while simultaneously bringing along Phillip Rivers out in SD. Forget that our offense was potent last year with a line that gave time to the QB. Just judge him on the lack of success this year and you'll clearly see that he's garbage.
well I'll say this. 2 yrs ago, the Jets wanted Cameron, but took Schott instead to get that offense since Cameron couldn't make a lateral move without permission. I'm not saying one thing or the other, just stating that fact.
bronco is right, we lost most of our games in the second half. we couldn?t get anything going after halftime. that?s on the coordinators. when you?re up 10 points at halftime, and you need your QB to make plays in the 4th quarter to stay in the game, you can?t just blame it on the O-Line. The same O-Line got us a 10 point advantage in the first half, and you can?t put them in situations to just run the clock and get some first downs in the second? another thing that i hate are our screens and draws, both are basicaly fakes of deep passens. but if noone is afraid of youf deep ball, those won?t work. how many deep balls did we throw? how many draws and screens did we run? question is, do we trust shotty, to learn and get better. I think if we can get a top OC we give shotty the boot, if noone is on the market, we give him another year. Cameron is not the guy i want.
Thank you Alio for a touch of common sense. I was going to respond to that nonsense but you made me see the light. There is no arguing with those that superficially equate all problems to coaching talent and nothing else. I suppose BS should have found a way to score even though the line gave no one time to set, throw, or run. How naive of me. Fire BS and get rid of the QBs too. but keep the OL
I agree that schott needs 1 more season to prove himself. Besides not having a line this year he also needs to be able to craft a gameplan with Clemens going in as the full time starter, since Clemens and Chad are two very different QB's. This will make a bigger difference than most people realize.
I don't think Schottenheimer has been particularly excellent, or even very good. A few reasons: 1.In games where the Jets are successful on defense or get the ball in good field position, it's usually wasted with gadget plays. Rather than go for the kill, Schottenheimer seems all too keen on going for "the clever," despite the fact that few of these gadget plays ever actually worked. The Pats game might have been a bit more interesting had we gotten away from a bizarre Brad Smith strategy that we employed when we were gifted with excellent field position. 2.Despite his status as the only true play maker on our vanilla, struggling roster, Leon Washington saw almost 70 fewer touches in 2007. Moreover, despite the addition of a strong armed Clemens, the Jets offense never really adjusted to take advantage. Regardless of who was the starter, the Jets defense continued to operate on screens, dives, and short dumps over the middle. The wide receivers YPC averages are nothing to write home about. More often than not, we were treated to one token bomb and a scores of insignificant dump offs, despite the fact that our receivers often showed an ability to take advantage of the long pass, provided it was well placed. 3.Total inconsistency of play calling. Early in the season, a Jets team that couldn't stop anyone on defense would completely disregard the run if there were any first half troubles. Moreover, I'm perplexed as to why a team loaded with blocking tight ends but weak up the middle wouldn't call a running play or two to the outside. Perhaps someone a little bit more intelligent would notice the utter inability of Adrien Clarke and co. to get out of the way of Mr. Jones when he ran up the middle. Say what you want about Jones, but I can't ever criticize a back for hitting the hole hard. It's one thing to be patient on a sweep, but the Jets seemed content to run inside the tackles even though it's totally at odds with the strengths(or more importantly, weaknesses) of their personnel. Schottenheimer can't really be blamed for Clemens inability to throw a pass without bouncing or sailing it, or Clemens inability to get rid of the football, or his "blow the whistle, blow the whistle!" Popkie poise behind said offensive line, but he hasn't done this unit any favors either. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, he seems to have fallen off the list of in demand coordinators. If there's an upgrade out there, I'd take it. Cameron? Eh. -X-
Count me in with you and Alio and everyone else looking for instant gratification. Fire them all. The road to building a consistently great team is to fire everyone and start from scratch. You need to do this every year that you don't make the SB.... clear house and go with a new crew. That includes Leon Washington too. That worthless POS dropped one of his returns last Sunday night. Unacceptable... get rid of him. I call it my "Monkey on the Keyboard" method of getting to the SB. Put enough monkeys on your keyboard and eventually and they'll turn out Gone With The Wind. Same thing with football. Put in a new monkey.
Didn’t we average something like 7 points in the second half? Yeah – that’s brilliant coaching…brilliant adjustments and all the reason in the world to stick with someone.
BS is just that, BS. He needs to go. His system and his play calling have been nothing less than awful.
My opinion is Schottenheimer never "shopped for the groceries," therefore, how does poor execution by the O-line earn Schottenheimer a firing? Simple answer: it doesn't. No amount of play-calling or half-time adjustments compensates for incompetent, poor pass protection and run-blocking. Want to get on somebody's case? Lay the blame where it starts. Tell Tannenbaum and Mangini they have one more offseason to properly identify, evaluate and bring in competitive talent and find a way to field a winning team with it. With our Salary Cap now very much in control and our excellent draft position, we've got the where-with-all to really shop for some awesome "groceries." If we don't field a competitive team by next year I'll really be pissed, and it ain't gonna necessarily be with Schottenheimer.
He had a bad year no doubt. Not just because of the O-line either. He made many ridiculous play calls that made no sense. Didn't adjust properly at halftime, and was pretty predictable. I have no problem giving him another year, but he has to change. Thinking the O-line made him look bad alone is wrong, he made himself look bad too.
Well, this is quite the exaggeration. If you want to give Schottenheimer, who was with the Chargers from 2002-2004 credit for resurrecting Brees, then you have to also talk about the two years he was there where Brees was awful. The truth of the matter is that Brees "resurrection" coincided with the emergence of Antonio Gates, who is the premiere tight end in the NFL. We had a non-existent running game. I wouldn't say it was potent. It was completely dependent on Pennington, and he was very good. We were 25th overall. We were 26th this year. He hasn't earned the right to be above criticism, either. He was a quarterbacks coach on a very complete football team. We're not talking about Mike Martz here. -X-
