Let the record show The Jets are building this team properly..The win now mentality is not what gives you a good team for years..The Pat's are great because of their draft record 4 and 5 years ago. Major Contributors Washington Clemens Ferguson Mangold Harris Revis Smith , B Kowalski T. Jones (acquired w/ a pick) That 8 starters listed above in two drafts signed to 6 year deals..pretty damn good I believe and with a bunch of picks this year its a process that will manifest itself quickly into a good solid team for a long time..patience is a virtue folks. I probably missed a couple and don't bring up Schagal..(who by the way is playing not on the street) it's still a guessing game so to speak and The Jets have done very well drafting. Potential Guys Bender Stuckey
you bring up some good points there. I think people's view are clouded by last years success, but the fact is we were/still are rebuilding. While our 1-8 record looks and is horrible- It seems weird, but I really don't think we are THAT far off from a good team. I would argue that the 2005(Herm's last year) team was way worse than this years. Tannenbaum has shown to be a good drafter and this is great for the future. One thing he does need to get better at however is free agent signing- which is poor at best.
Disagree on Kowalewski- He's shown nothing thus far and has gone from active to inactive, week to week. Flashes in training camp do not a good football player make, as JMAC has consistently proven. I'd knock B. Smith down a notch too- he hasn't shown consistent play outside of ST but does certainly have potential.
Generally, I think they are doing good in the draft. I think this year really drives home the extent to which Herm decimated the team. I think it was much worse than any of us realized. I think we were lucky last year. A light schedule, Chad had a very good year, and our D seemed to tighten a bit down the stretch, plus the coaches were doing a bit more gambling. This year is a reality check - in the long run it may have been a blessing. I know Tangini did some heavy gambling on trading up in this year's draft, but you really take a chance there because you are puttiing a lot of eggs in one basket. Harris seems to be the real deal. I am not sold on Revis yet.
We're not. And it's amazing, but we've been in every game this season and just a few plays here and there and we're right in this thing. Same thing happened to the Lions last year and look at them this year.
He ain't perfect He signed Kimo von Oelhoffen last year to a three-year, $9.2-million deal, including a $3.2-million bonus. He gave defensive end/linebacker Bryan Thomas a five-year extension worth up to $25 million, with $9 million guaranteed. Thomas has been a huge disappointment with only 1? sacks and 31 tackles this season. He raded a fourth-round pick to the 49ers for running back Kevan Barlow. He refused to budge on terms of a contract with Revis, demanding that he sign a six-year deal; Revis was looking for a four-year package. Revis held out most of the preseason, missing valuable time, and signed the six-year deal. But because of playing-time incentives already met, it's now a four-year deal. He signed Kenyon Coleman to a five-year, $20-million deal, although Coleman had only 69 career tackles and 6? sacks in the previous five years. Coleman has one sack this season. And, of course, the transaction that caused the most extensive short-term damage: declining to give Pete Kendall a $1-million raise despite Kendall's insistence that he'd been promised the bump in salary after last season. Kendall's absence from the line has been a major factor in the team's offensive problems.
Dave your right, this is why we said he drafted well.... But i think the Revis deal will work out anyways, he is playing fine. harris had 24 tackles this week! 24! that is insane how many times has that happened in NFL history? i have no idea, but it couldn't possibly be that many....
You did read the thread title right? I don't think you can hold Barlow against Tangini. We were DESPERATE for a RB last year, it was a trade of necessity. And I still think Kenyon Coleman is going to prove to be a very good signing down the road. Parcells was pretty high on the guy. And I think his play will significantly improve once we get a NT next to him. And the job of a DE in the 3-4 isn't to produce sacks (unlike a 4-3). It is to hold the line and free up the OLB to get the pass rush.
The 2005 team was actually a LOT worse than this team! As long as Clemens pans out at QB, I actually think this team will be very good in short order. We will have high draft picks to work with this year, and potentially two or more extra draft picks if Vilma and Pennington are traded. Next year is probably a playoff, or nearly miss the playoffs season. The year after and beyond the team will probably be a solid year after year contender.
Mangold and Harris look like top end studs Revis looks like a solid CB Ferguson looks like an okay LT not elite but not bad Washington is a rotational back and good specials players Brad Smith is a special team player T Jones is an average split carry back Bender we don't know yet Stuckey we don't know yet The two drafts to date are really going to be thumbs up or down based on Clemens. If he is anything less than a very good to great NFL QB these two off seasons will be looked on as nothing special as the team is likely to flounder for years.
There is no such think as a perfect front office. Mistakes are going to be made. As I mentioned numerous times, all the personnel decisions outside of the draft and Thomas trade that everyone on here identified as potential trouble spots have turned into the worst case scenario. Yes KVO was a mistake, but they realized it and cut him. BT excelled last season, would have gotten the same money (if not more) in FA from another team. He was then moved to the strong side which is why his sack numbers/pressues have decreased. Coleman has been good on pass defense, poor (like the rest of the team on run defense.) Everyone has different opinions on Kendall. I think it was the right move for him to go. Obviously, the back-up plan didn't work out. I don't mean to defend their decisions, but writing all of them off as complete mistakes is why we are fans on a messageboard and not making the decisions.
Have you compared this to other teams with similar records drafts in the same time frame. Players they passed on and such? Seems like tooting our own horn.
Why are you so salty? It is clear you don't think Mangini / Tannenbaum are the answer. Instead of harping on what you perceive as the problem, offer a solution. Is the answer to bring in Cowher next season (which would require handing over personnel control) and hand the reigns to another rookie GM? What coaches out there would be worth starting over again because that is what that means? What players are out there to fill-in the gaps on defense as we have about half a team's worth of 4-3 players and half a team's worth of 3-4 players? In other words, let's say the Jets go 3-13 and have a Top 3 pick. In the off-season they fire Mangini and Tannenbaum (which I am assuming you would support). You are the owner, what do YOU do?
This team is heading in a good direction if the coaches can get their heads out of their asses when they set foot on the gridiron...we draft well, and to be honest we compete in ever game ( except the Pats game, but other then the Pats who does) I think we have lost by a TD or less in every game since Week 1, correct me if im wrong...im not checking that stat... as for kowalski, hes caught 2 passes, for 2 yards, and 1 TD...his excitement last week didnt excite me about him...he still has done jack...but the rest of the players we have from our last 2 drafts seem to be solid!
It is not my job to offer a solution. I just watch the dogshit every week. I never said get rid of anybody, but how can you not see how god awful we are. What track record do these guys have that you or anyone should be confident they can turn it around? Oh yeah, Mangini got Parcells his coffee way back, I guess that is something. And we have tons of "character"...that is really helping.
The worst kind of critic, one who points out problems, but never offers solutions. (And, I know that fans on here have no impact on the FO in any way, but at least contribute to the debate.) I absolutely see how horrible the team is. I absolutely place a lot of blame on personnel decisions in the offseasons and coaching during this season. Every Sunday the lack of agression, the poor play-calling, teams running the balls down the Jets throats and the defense not finding a way to get off the field on 3rd downs is sickening. But, I am not on here consistently making comments shitting on the team, beating to death every negative and not even entertaining the idea that there are (a few) bright spots this season. What's the point of that?
A fan forum is a perfect place to voice your displeasure with the team. I sit there and ruin my Sundays watching this pathetic display, I am entitled to voice my opinion on the shit put in front of me each week.
