If Mangini wins 4 last year and 6 this year good but since he won 10 last year with a 4 win team he sucks?
You know what I heard...Mangini put pads on last week at practice and illegally cut blocked Vilma -- ending his season early. It's ALL his fault.
Stuckey can't stay healthy to save his life...he's a good player, but there's a reason he was drafted in the 7th round. The guy's got solid hands, a lot of speed, agilty, and moves -- he just can't take a hit.
just like there are chad haters and lovers i think manginin is next in line for this great jets debate...I personally cant stand him!! I blame him for our horrible season, i blame him for the worst o-line in the NFL...i blame him for this horrific defense that cant stop a highschool team...i have to shell out thousands every year to watch this fkn crap...4th and 1 and yopu throw that pass..you get rid of the most seasoned line man on your squad for a mill but you go and get a star running back that now avg 2 yards a rush..whatever man ... personally i hope this clown is fired soon
No, if Mangini won 4 last year, and 6 this year, he's progressing, but he's not good... However, if he had won 4 games last year, due to the supposed lack of talent you like to blame his failures on, it would be more understandable... But considering he has essentially the same team as last year, with our rookies on the OL with a year under their belts, and another year's worth of acquisitions on the roster, one would think, at the very least, he'd linger around the same record as last year... Take away 2 or 3 wins even, for the harder schedule, but that's being generous.... Point is, a good coach does not regress by, what looks to be 6+ wins in his second season, unless his team is depleted by injuries.... Had the team been terrible last year, it would be more understandable, but there is not an 'unworkable' talent level on this team like you seem to insinuate... In 2005, the Jets were on their 3rd QB, had a RB destroyed by injuries, were missing their Pro Bowl C, and one of their defensive leaders (Barton).... That team managed 4 wins... Mangini comes in following that debacle, and two years later, the Jets end up with an equal or worse record than 4-12, while staying relatively healthy.... That is the mark of bad coaching
I don't buy the 05 team was the result of injury, I think it was the result of decay and neglect. The injuries where very much a bye product of that decay and neglect. Whenever you have to start completely over and you need to do it with an injury ravaged QB to lead it, you'r going to be in for some turbulance. The drafts have been very good but until the QB is replaced and Clemens is brought up to speed along with a continuation of rebuilding both lines, I fully expect very uneven performance. We simply have to many holes that have to be replaced before we can expect even progress. Prior to last season I thought we were a 9 or 10 win team with the possability of the playoffs and prior to this season I figured 6 to 7. It may turn out to be 3 to 5? I put it in writing in both cases before the fact. I'm suspect of Shot because he is Marty's son and I'm not a fan of Sutton but I love Mangini's desciplined approach and I like the players they drafted, I also like the fact that they are clearing cap space to make an impact move when it will have an impact. I really like what Tanny and Mangini are doing, I have no doubt they will also upgrade the coaching staff as they go along.
I'm just glad somebody other than me posted this. I was planning to do a mid-season evaluation after the Bills game, however if it looks too much like this I'll just skip it.
i wished we had won 4 games last season, maybe we would have had a run at a playmaker or someone decent on the dl, not a cb. i have no doubts that these are the last 2 months of cp and clemens will come in and do his thing so i hope mangini does get a chance at bringing in a playmaker, mcfadden, instead of doing what parcells had done, bringing in a losing superbowl rb to anchor the jets for the next decade. i love martin with a passion and we got a hof out of it but now it's time for a superbowl.
let me get this straight. the Jets didn't win a Super Bowl with Martin because he lost one with NE? does that really make sense to you? because you are clearly making that correlation by mentioning that he lost a SB and because of it he couldn't win one with the Jets, so now you are glad he is gone because the Jets will now have a better chance that he is gone.
I loved Herm, despite all his warts. The guy is more of a "genius" when it comes to defense than Mangini, bar none. Mangini was the DC of a mediocre Patriots defense and then was brought here. He hasn't ever been in charge of anything resembling a good defense, either as a coach or a coordinator. Herm has had far more success. Granted, Mangini has a lot less time but the progression (or lack thereof) of this defense is concerning.
the idea going into each season is winning the superbowl and nothing less. do you think we will get the opportunity to play for a sb ring with jones weather cp or kc is at qb?
I neither bashed nor defended herm- i just watched the proceedings, LOL. But this manidiot hasnt been able to coach his way to more than one win with a BETTER roster than last year. He's dead to me.
I can't believe people still make these posts where Mangini gets every excuse in the book. Mangini "took a 4 win team" that got the overwhelming majority of the the injured players from 2005 back on the roster and "schemed and diciplined" his way through a last place schedule. Then on the other hand you do nothing of the sort for Herm, simply noting that he "took a 10 win team to 9 wins". Just ignore that their best offensive lineman, a hall of fame left tackle, retired before Herm's first season. Just ignore that they lost their starting QB for good halfway into Herm's first game, because even when Trent Green came back he was never the same player after that concussion. They started their backup QB half the season behind a weakened offensive line, and somehow the fact that Herm "only" got them to 9 wins and the playoffs is supposed to be a knock on him as a coach? I'm not saying I wish Herm had stayed, because I think he'd gone about as far here as he was going to go. But you'd have to be blind not to see that he's not only doing a better job in KC than he did in NY, but he's doing a better job than Mangini is. Maybe the midwest suits Herm better, who knows. But the Chiefs defense was the worst in the league for years and Herm has totally turned it around 7 games into his second year. His drafts have been great there. They're already starting about 4 players on their defense that Herm picked, to say nothing of Dwayne Bowe who looks like the next big star in the league at the WR position. And, of course, the players there absolutely love him, which we can't exactly say is true around here. Mangini and Herm's clubs are going in completely opposite directions, and yet there's still people buying into the Mangenius BS and acting like the Jets are better off.
This is typical of the same fire Mangini crap we have been hearing the last few weeks. OMG we are 1-6 the sky is falling Mangini sucks, the team sucks. Not one of you has offered a clear concise treatise on why he sucks. Yeah he sucked this offseason............ Q:why A: Because they did not bring in any free agents. Stellar point: Q: What free agents were available the would make the Jets a contender this year A: I do not know maybe A. Thomas sure all the rest are Jags the signed for ridiculous contracts but so what we should have brought them in anyway or Thomas wanted NE and no other team. Hey lets not let facts get in the way of the retarded fire Mangini rhetoric! Lets bring in a NT for the 3-4 defense because clearly that is what they are lacking. Qfor the genius's) If it is so apparent the Jets are lacking a true 3-4 NT why didn't they (Tangini) sign or draft one? A: Because they suck, never mind there has not been a legiimate one available since 2006 draft and they drafted Brick, which is looking better and better by the week. Once again, lets not let facts get in the way of the retarded fire Mangini rhetoric! I find it appalling that people are calling for the coaches head after what happened last year. This team has been in every game save for one, with among the worst starting QB's in the entire NFL. Sure keeping that pathetic QB in is on Mangini. Not arguing that fact. However, this team is on the right track. I am saying it here and now. More young talent has been brought in the last two years then the entire time Herm was here. It is not the same old Jets it is the same old retarded Jet fans. Thank god none of you understand how building a franchise does not entail ripping it apart every 2 years.
KARMA...that's all im going to say.. Mangini is rotten lil person and will bite him in the ass. I remember Belichick helped him so much.That's how he pays him.He even try to steal Belichick's staff members and belichick had to lock him out. Now this? Karma..will bite him.. " John Czarnecki FOXSports.com, Updated 5 days ago STORY TOOLS: I don't know Bill Belichick, but I respect him a lot despite all this Spygate garbage. A lot of teams steal signs and videotape their opponents when it makes sense. Belichick will tell you that his security team caught a Jets employee filming them last season in Gillette Stadium and he didn't go running to the commissioner's office. The word is that when the NFL picked up the Patriots' so-called Spygate files, the Patriots also supplied them with information about other NFL teams and what they might have been involved in."
That's because we are better off. Bradway and Herm took a ready to go team and in five years got 10 win seasons 2 a 9 win season 1 a 6 and a 4 win season and left a team with no QB no DL, no OL and no descipline.
you can't create that argument because it is clear that this team isn't going to win six games, so that is just a made up scenario to fit a bad argument. if you want a hypothetical scenario based on wining 4 games last year and how that would affect an opinion on him this year, than you have to apply that hypothetical win total to this years record. so, hypothetically, lets say he only won 4 games last year. that doesn't look good for him on its own, nevertheless when you compare that to him following that up with this season, which is apparently going to be a 3 or 4 win season, and that only makes him look worse -- a 4 game winning coach. how many seasons of 4 wins do you need to know the coach isn't going to be any better. Kotite was a 10 and 11 game winning coach, do you think he was a good coach despite going 1-15, or do you think that 1-15 mark was indicative of his ability?
