The fact of the matter is this team has better personel to run a 3-4 than it does a 4-3. If the Jets were to switch to a 4-3 they would still have no nose tackle to protect Vilma and no pass rush to protect the secondary. I keep reading all these posts that Mangini is being stubborn - but he is running the defense that gives the Jets the best chance to win right now which is a steady mix of the 3-4 and 4-3. You can bet that the current defensive issues will be addressed this offseason. The pass rush can be manufactured in a 3-4 so long as you can keep the offense in managable down and distances which the Jets have not been able to do.
KARMA...that's all im going to say.. Mangini is rotten lil person and will bite him in the ass. I remember Belichick helped him so much.That's how he pays him.He even try to steal Belichick's staff members and belichick had to lock him out. Now this? Karma..will bite him.. " John Czarnecki FOXSports.com, Updated 5 days ago STORY TOOLS: I don't know Bill Belichick, but I respect him a lot despite all this Spygate garbage. A lot of teams steal signs and videotape their opponents when it makes sense. Belichick will tell you that his security team caught a Jets employee filming them last season in Gillette Stadium and he didn't go running to the commissioner's office. The word is that when the NFL picked up the Patriots' so-called Spygate files, the Patriots also supplied them with information about other NFL teams and what they might have been involved in."
I don't have time to explain it now, but a nose tackle is not only a 3-4 position. For instance, Pat Williams is the Vikings nose tackle. Kevin Williams is the under tackle.
There are two defensive tackles in the 4-3 scheme. The first defensive tackle is called the nose guard. The nose guard is generally a little bigger and stronger and plays a one technique which means he lines up on either outside shoulders of the center depending on which way the strength of the play is going. The nose guard's primary job is to stop the run and take on the double team(which is getting blocked by two offensive linemen) thus freeing up the linebackers to make a play. The second defensive tackle (simply referred to as the defensive tackle or three tech) is generally a bit quicker and faster than the nose guard. He plays a three technique meaning he lines up on the outside shoulder of the strong side offensive guard. The job of a three tech is to: prevent the run, keep the guard off linebackers, and rush the quarterback on pass plays.
Grady Jackson, a 370 lb run stuffing DT, is available on the FA wire and Mangini came out and said the Jets aren't interested. Is that being stubborn?
That's how I understood it. I guess the responsibility is similar with the exception of not having any help if you are undersized at the NT position.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That tells us all anybody needs to know about you or any sorry excuse of a thought that passes through your head. See ya D bag.
The guy is still very productive and could help groom a young guy we bring in and at least fill a big need for the time being. He still has at least a couple good years left in him IMO. edit: Also, you're saying 1-6 like the season is over. While I agree, Mangini doesn't seem to given the current QB situation. So which is it? Has he given up on the season and making a move for a real NT won't matter, or are we still in this and he thinks we don't need an NT? I'm confused. I'm trying hard not to be overly critical of Mangini, but this move (or lack thereof) really has me confused given the current state of the team.
Ever hear of a guy named Ted Washington, the guy is approaching 40 and can still hold the nose for Clevand? He did it in NE in 2003, the year before the Pats finally found Wilfork. If we could get 2 decent years out of him so we could take our time and find a stud to replace him would be very valuable.
No this is not a new thing. Generally a 4-3 has a pass rushing 3 technique DT and a run stuffing NT type. You need atleast one run stuffing NT type to make it work.
I'm skeptical of getting Grady Jackson because the Falcons cut him for a reason. Partrino is having similar problems with that team that Mangini is having with this one and Patrino is from all accounts a pretty thorough no nonsense coach. So that leads me to believe Jackson is either over rated or can only handle a players type coach.
umm..I didn't know you use a nose tackle in the 4-3. Is this something new? The biggest difference interior linemen in a 3-4 are two gap players..control the man infront of you then shed and make the tackle on either side of you..which is why you like big people up front in a 3-4. A 4-3 defense is a one gap defense ,which requires you to control one gap and fight across the blockers face to get to the ball. It is a defense designed to protect LB's to make the majority of the plays..3-4 is better for run support, desguising blitzes, keeping offenses unsure of coverages..any questions..hahaha
you dont need a nt in the 4-3 to allow the mlb to make plays.....there are 2 DTs so the o-lines responsibilities are taken up at the LOS, so at least 1 more LB should be free. Pouha and Robertson are a good pair for a 4-3
You do need a NT in the 4-3 to make it work because you need to occupy the center or he will get out on the MLB. Ask the Colts who dramatically improved once they got Anthony McFarland to do just this. Look at Carolina's defense with Kris Jenkins or and 4-3 that is successful against the runand I will show you their NT.
Pouha and Robertson are both capable of playing about 50% of the snaps, Pouha has no motor and Robertson gasses all the time and needs to be in a rotation. You get a game like last weeks when our O is 3 and outing after long drives and both of these guys need long breaks. We simply don't have the bodies to play a 4/3 consistently the way we have been playing. Maybe in cooler weather we will do more of it? When you get your points off kick returns and defensive turnovers and your O isn't doing much with the ball, you need more quality on the interior line to play the 4/3 and we don't have them. We have played a lot of 4/3 and 3/4 but we are limited on the interior line.
