As expected people on the site today are discussing the ABE trade, did we get enough in return? Who got the best end of the deal? How will this effect the team and defense? Etc.... Here is the deal, we now have 3 of the first 35 picks of the draft. That is three potential starters. In other words, if we turn this draft into something like 2000, not even as good, just as productive, then the Abe deal will be forgotten. We can re-shape the entire face of the team, we dictate our future. On the Abe deal..this is something I posted in another thread that I would like to heard...what do you guys think?
Where was Shuan Ellis last year? Did he play?? 2.5 sacks. John Abraham was not the reason we wer 4-12. Probably would have lost two more games without him. He could have played linebacker in the 3-4 like he did in South Carolina. So he could of fit. Just funny that we lost the best two players we had on the defense and people are happy.
Except that Abe has been placed at OLB twice already in his career w/ the Jets and it has never worked out.In fact, last time we tried, he and his agent bitched that we moved them there to give him less money when his contract ended.
When did we play him at OLB?? I am not saying that Abe was not a pain in the ass but we did kind of screw him. We gave big money to Ellis who took the whole season off last year and Abe had a very solid year.
Abe played OLB his rookie season and 2 seasons ago when DH attempted to implement some 3-4 looks into the scheme. Abe never held up in coverage and was iffy in run support.
If they did that at all it only a few plays when DH was here. and he definately did not play OLB his rookie season
Jesse, He most definitly did play OLB his rookie season under Groh. he got hurt partway through the season and then came back the next year with Edwards as coach and played DE.
I'd say Abe played 3-4 olb for about 50 plays 2 seasons ago and about 40 his rookie year. It just didnt work.
I don't think he played linebacker that much but that is only a game. Need a little more time than that to see if it works.
He cannot drop in pass coverage, Donnie tried that the past two seasons, he is a liability. He only excels on third and long, and some games you do not even see him.
I dont think the Jets draft OL in the first. The new coaching staff is looking to find a player they can build around. My Guess is they'll try and get Leinart. I assume the front office of the Jets is hoping this is the highest draft pick they get for awhile, and want to use it on the best possible player they can get. Fergeson is the best offensive lineman at 4, but not the best player. With 3 picks out of the first 35, they can get a solid tackle a bit later.
He will be back stopping the run just as always next season. He was on the field a lot more than Abe in their time here.
bottom line guys - ellis was scouted as a 3-4 end and that was/is his game. abe was scouted as an OLB in the same 3-4 scheme hence thats how they were initated into the league under groh and mike nolan. at the time abe couldn't cover a sloth but so what.. he was lightning fast off the corner and that is what you want in a typical 3-4 OLB. i have posted this ad nauseum but if abe was used strictly as a 3-4 backer under edwards and crew - the stats would be that much more impressive and likely put him close to gastineaus totals. that dang cover 2 crap, IMO, led to the restraints on abraham, limited ellis, and led to a quicker drop off in the effectiveness of mo lewis and m. jones. oh well, the memories... jil
...I will never forget the playoff game in Pittsburg when Ellis was a beast and was completely exhausted and needed oxygen to get back on the field and he ran by Abe standing there in his fur coat. One of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in sports. Yeah, Abe really cared - about his money...
I agree Abe had some bad moments but he didn't disappear an entire year like Ellis did last year. When he did play he usually dominanted
You can def assume things like this played a large roll in why Tangini do not consider him to fit the mold of player they are looking for. The scheme has A LOT to do with it, but ABE was a me first guy, and I truly do not feel that is disputable.
yes he did play olb his rookie season. research your info b4 you shoot of your mouth. he had a few sacks and played well I thought. But his coverage skills were not that good.
