Playing Chad right now is damn near guaranteeing a loss. That's wrong. You canot put a team out there that has little or no chance to win the game and with Chad at QB the Jets are just really poor right now. Unless the coaching staff believes that Clemens will never be an NFL caliber QB they need to have him on the field as soon as possible. Every loss makes this team worse and effects the other players who are playing negatively.
Mangini and Tannenbaum had a well documented and researched 5 year plan in order to bring this franchise to an elite level. Perhaps that sounds cliche and over the top considering any football regime is going to have a long term plan in place...however, Mangini and Tannenbaum are not your average management team. They are tireless workers, who research, analyze, and project things to almost the point of overkill. I believe they expected something of this nature to happen in year 2. It was obvious from the first day of TC that Pennington was the best short term solution to complete the rebuilding process for this team, but that he also was very limited physically, in terms of providing long term success. It looks like, for whatever reason, their plan is to carry Clemens along very slowly...despite some early season success in Chad's absence. What that means is, perhaps it's frustrating for us, the fans, but they are committed to turning KC into a true franchise QB..and will not let him loose to the wolves until they feel he and the team are truly ready. Let's face it, no matter who starts at QB right now..this team is going 6-10 at best.
Definitely going to be Chad. I don't think a change will occur before the bye week. Mangini made a commitment to Chad during the offseason, he's going to try and ride this out for a while longer. Chad will put up better performances than this in the coming weeks, and it will buy him a bit more time. I do think we will eventually see Clemens this year, but it won't be now. Perhaps by Mid-November
Kurt I think you're on the money with this post. I realy want to see what Clemens can do but I agree their is a plan the owner is committed to it and these guys are going to stick to it.
I think Chad loses his job at the bye. Though I do think Mangini is starting to finally see this week that Kellen may actually be the best QB for the job. Just a hunch though.
It wil be Chad but it should be Kellen.....our D is so bad that were gonan have a hard time winning ny game, so we might as well se what CLemens can do.....fck this defence..
The best thing for Mangini to do is look back in JETS history... 2002. Before the change: 1. Old Team 2. Bad Defense 3. No Running Game 4. Predictable Offense 5. QB who for the most part played well in his Jets tenure 6. Record 1-3 After the change: 1. New found life in that "old team" 2. Bad defense turns around 3.Running game discovered 4. What was once a predictable offense... becomes fast and exciting 5. JETS find QB for the franchise for (5+) years and old QB rides off in the sunset 6. Improved team leads to playoff appearance. Just based on New England a repeat of 2002 is impossible, but I think a QB change to Clemens can spark every unit on the team.
QFT. Mangini has not done anything that gives him the cushion to sit back on the QB decision. The Jets have been beaten, often embarrassingly, by every good team they have faced during his tenure with the exception of the Pats last year, who were unprepared to play in the muck. The Jets are now being beat by average to poor teams on a consistent basis. No coach survives that kind of deterioration for long. For people saying a step back this year was expected: did that include losing to a terrible Bills team last week and giving away a game to a mediocre Giants team this week? They tried to hand us the game and we handed it right back through offensive ineptitude.
Mangini might lose his "Genius" card if......... Clemens doesn't start this week. Look, whether you like Chad or not, the fact is the pass protection was there all game long and your defense and special teams gave you two touchdowns. Twice we had 10 point leads. The defense is far from great, but Chad again looses this game, like he did in Buffalo, with some of the most ignorant throws you would see in any NFL game. That one where he launched it up for grabs was like my 6 year old nephew throwing a nerf ball against the wind.
There is a kind of stupid stubborness pervading the NFL and Mangini has it as much as most coaches. Who should start? KC, of course. He needs to get as much live action as possible to develop into a good qb. Nothing, and I mean nothing, prepares a qb better than playing in real situations. He's had a year of holding a clipboard and now he needs to be in real action. Who will start? Chad, of course, because mangini is a stubborn coach and will not let the fans tell him what to do. He's made up his mind and no one is going to change it. KC will eventually take over, but it won't happen as soon as it should.
You know what the problem is? The defense and special teams accounted for more then 50% of our points. As bad as the defense played, we still should have been in that game after getting a run back and a fumble return for a TD. Chad gave them one the other way and threw the worst pass I've seen anyone in any kind of sport throw in recent memory. Will Clemens do better? Who knows? What I do know is that I'm more then ready to find out.
Totally agree. This is the whole point. Against a Giants defense with a par secondary and a Jets basically kick-ass WR corps, and the lack of pass rush the Giants had all day, there shouldn't have been a problem for Pennington and he shouldn't have made any of those stupid passes. I agree with BGU. That pass he threw was more noodly than spaghetti.
if they don't want to expose clemens too early, then start tui or brad smith. neither one could do any worse than the last two games....:shit:
No. They have too many inherited holes to take the fall. Sutton wont likely survive....but thats about it. But they need to make the change. With decent QB play we're 3-2 right now. However, that having been said, I think the CS does not want to look panicked,and have probably decided this is not a Championship year, so why not let Pennington play a bit, and either A: Improve the draft position, or B: Play himself out of the slump.
Bill Cowher, Mangini and the Jets I have commented in the past that if Cowher coached in NY, he would have never won anything. Look at his years in Pitt -- and how they allowed him to have poor (very poor) seasons. To say, after 5 games, that all of a sudden its Mangini/Tannenbaums fault and to imply they should go, is beyond me. As long as we do not have a running game, it does not matter who is playing QB. I think its time for the change because, it is clear, that Chad will not be the starter next year. Maybe it will be Kellen, maybe some one else -- but Chad's run here appears to be over. I hate when people say lets see what the young guy can do (like they did for Kyle Mackey and Brooks Bollinger) -- but if KC is your guy -- then lets start now. I think that CHAD came into the Jets either when they were 1-4 or 1-3 -- they lost his first game or so -- and then on the road blew out the chargers who were 6-0.
