Overreacting? Too Much Drama?

You think this is drama? Wait until after the Giants game. What we have right now will look like the 4 panel Bazooka Joe cartoon you get out of bubble gum compared to the flaming ruins next week this time.

 

Ha I think you have not assessed our talent level correctly. Yes something can be fixed when you have players with talent but except for a couple when you do not it surely is not fixable

 

we wont have a qb left, maybe brad smith will get his first start against philly. maybe we should just try to run the option, and forget passing against the giants?

 

Life on a Message Board when your Team is Losing.

 

Coming into the season, every poster here was very aware of the mismatched personell we had for our defense, and knew our o-line would suffer the loss of Kendall. None of this should be a surprise to ANYONE, with the exception of our loss to Buffalo (because they had so many players out).

We all agree a switch to the 4-3 would benefit our team. But from a management point of view, the winners of the last 8 Superbowls used the 3-4.

Chad going 32-39 was a bright spot on our lame offense. We struggle running the ball. Everyone here used to complain that we;d run-run-pass-punt, now you complain when we pass first.

The Jets simply do not have the personell to pull off a winning season this year.

Is it Chads fault? No.
Would Clemens get us better results? No.
Does Clemens offer a new dimension (the deep threat)? Yes.
Does putting him in, which almost guarantees a loss due to rookie mistakes, put us in a better position to win over Chad? No.

Our offseason need are:
DT/DE who can create havoc.
Nose Tackle (if we stick to the 3-4)
OT
CB
and WR depth along with OL depth.

We appear to have many fewer holes to fill come the end of the season. We also have extremely talented players that don't fit our system that we could get quality players in return for.

I hate to be talking offseason already, but it isn't Chad's fault. I love the guy and know we need to get Clemens some starting time if he is to eventually take the reigns. But for this season, Chad is our best option.

And in response to the above post, yes, we need to make some coaching adjustments on our offense AND defense.

 

We have to go 9-3 to even have a shot at the playoffs. With this defense do you think that is possible? With that said what is Chad our best option for? The future is now and that future does not have a place for Chad. It's Clemens time!

 

You do realize that a large majority of CP passes were of the 2 yd variety & I would venture to say you to could complete those type passes

 

It's not at all overreacting. If you saw improvement weekly then it would be. This team appears to be getting worse every week. I'll tell you what I think, the team that played Buffalo last week would not have beaten Miami the week before.

 

angry teste atleast you see the big picture, the one farther away from your nose!!! telling it like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!excellent post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The same needs we had this year. So what is there to look forward to? They did nothing to address them this past off season what makes you think they will next especially when they won't play in FA?

 

wont play the fa market? or is it best said "wont pay in the fa market?" i hope our coach has the nuts to challenge on personel issues, my bet is he doesnt. he only wants to establish himself as not a trouble maker, for owners. at this point i have to say he cant coach, and we should get rid of his ass the first upgrade we come to, and return him to ballboy status!!!

 

We still have no vertical passing game until we find someone replace noodle arm. Its needs to be addressed once and for all

 

I agree to some degree. NT is a need, getting one also solves the problem at DT/DE. Robertson would make a good 3-4 DT/DE, IMO. Get a NT, shift Robertson to the end. They need more than just one OT for the line. Add LG to that list, and RG (Moore is a good backup, but shouldn't be starting). I agree with depth on at OL, WR and CB, but I would add safety too.

 

They did get Kenyon Coleman which is looking like a good signing. But I agree they need to be more active, with the amount of holes this team has, 1 or 2 good FA signings per year isn't going to cut it.

 

The kind of crying that’s going on is to be expected! People can’t be told how they can react to situation; for Champ this is a great opportunity to say "see our talent level is as such" It is a long season and here comes our chance to turn it around. When teams get embarrassed as the Jets did by a decimated Bill team then you would expect a bounce back and a Flat out good performance the coming week. Let’s see what we field on Sunday and go from there. But ...If we get slaughtered then we all know what’s coming, expect it!

 

if we get slaughtered then not only is it coming but it will be well deserved dont you think?

 

Uh...what? The 4-3 wouldn't be any better. What would the alignment be? Coleman and Ellis are too big and slow to play 4-3 DE. Would we bring Thomas back in at DE? He's a little undersized and was an absolute bust as a 4-3 DE. The pass rush in a 4-3 comes from the ends, not the linebackers. Please name me a single player on this team who could rush the passer effectively from a three-point stance.

Not to mention that a 3-technique "under" tackle is only one part of the 4-3. Yes, we have a very talented one in DRob, but you still need a nose tackle. Who's going to fill that role? Pouha? Mosley? Sounds like we'd have the same problems running a 4-3 as we do now, except with even less ability to rush the QB.

Obviously Vilma and DRob are suited to a 4-3, but you're asking to change our entire defense (again) to suit 2 players? How about instead, we simply have a little patience as Mangini brings his people in and completes the transition, and trades players that don't fit (i.e., Vilma and Robertson, among others) to 4-3 teams.

The defense needs a lot of work, but remember we're rebuilding right now, so it takes some time.

The coaching staff needs to take a hit for getting away from the run, especially in the second half. But Chad's 2 backbreaking interceptions and his pathetic "2-minute offense"--which, by the way, took 8 plays and 1:37 to go 35 yards--were not a "bright spot." He gift-wrapped field position for the Bills in the 3rd quarter, and then he lost us the game with that ill-advised pick at the end.

Totally agree here. We're rebuilding, and rebuilding means losses. I'm trying to be philosophical about this season because as someone said before, we're basically paying the piper for last season's unexpected success.

Seeing as Chad's arm strength and confidence are so low at this point that he decided to repeatedly throw 2-yard checkdowns when we needed to drive 45 yards in under 2 minutes, I think it's clear he's part of the problem. I don't care about his completion percentage; 32-of-39 didn't put enough points on the board to beat the worst defense in the league.

Is the team's lack of success solely Chad's fault? Absolutely not. But right now, he's not part of the solution.

It's very simple: the defense held a division foe, on the road, to 17 points. They recorded 2 sacks and 2 takeaways. Sign me up for that every week. The defense did their part last Sunday; it's not their fault Chad couldn't put up 20 points on a defense that is ranked at the bottom of the league in every category AND missing 4 starters.

Wow, controversy solved. With a football mind like that, why are you wasting your time on a message board? Your skills are needed on the Jets coaching staff.

Wait a second. You just said the Jets don't have the personnel to win this season. Now you're saying we have to leave Chad in because he gives us the best chance to win? You can't have it both ways. Either:

1. We have a chance at the playoffs this season, and we need to leave Chad in because he gives us the best chance to win right now.

OR

2. We don't have the talent to make the playoffs, in which case we should put Clemens in to see if he's the real deal or not.

Which is it?

Again, this makes no sense. If you think Clemens needs starting time, then he should get it ASAP. Would you rather Chad play out the season until we're mathematically eliminated? What if that means Clemens only gets 4 starts this year? That's not enough to evaluate him. And this season should be about evaluating Clemens. It's very simple:

Clemens should play ASAP because we need to know if we should be targeting a QB in FA or the draft this offseason.

Plain and simple. People can talk all about him being the "savior," and I hope he is. But the fact is, we just don't know. The main benefit of Clemens playing is giving the CS an opportunity to evaluate his prospects as the starting QB of this team. Clemens needs as many reps against first-teamers as possible so that the coaches can make an accurate interpretation.

Chad--due to age, physical limitations, and the roster bonus he's due in July--will not be a Jet next season, no matter what. We need a new quarterback for next year. Is Clemens the answer? I don't know. No one does. The only way to find out is to get him in there and see what he has.

Mangini needs to quit trying to win now with a broken roster and fully dedicate himself to rebuilding this team. Step 1 is determining who will start at QB for the Jets next year.

 

look at the two different situation in cinncinnati,(palmer) and then back up a few years in cleveland (couch). palmer waited, learned, the team got better, etc.... couch on the other hand played right away, his career in a nutshell......where is he now? the nfl of today (defensively speaking) is not like it was when elway or marino took command and went with it. the game is bigger stronger and faster, that jump from college to the pro's isnt like it once was. i can see clemens rolling out now, (using that arm and his legs) only to be another chad, injured, and dinking and dunking. so go ahead all you coaches, call mangini talk him into putting clemens in!!!!

 

No they were not.