top 5 in talent!?! are you saying that Cotchery is up there with Chad Johnson, TJ Housyourmama, TO, Randy Moss, Plaxico Burress, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Donald Driver, Steve Smith, Roy Williams, Torry Holt, Andre Johnson?? Amani Toomer has and still is the go to guy when we need a first down. the guy runs amazing routes and has amazing hands. even with his old age id still say Toomer=Cotchery
I would have to agree with the giant fan as far as cotch being top 5.....you cant put him up there with those other guys yet....and we probbaly wont get the chance to put him up there with fagboy as our qb
Originally, I had the Giants game pegged as a W. We'll see, stranger things have happened. I also originally had us at 1-3 with Miami being the lone W and then us going to 3-3 with a Giants win and an Eagles upset. Not likely but we'll see. I can't see the Giants getting 12 sacks two weeks in a row not even against us. I have a hunch the Jets find a way to neutralize their pass rush... As far as Junc's original point, what he's trying to say is that every year the Jets are scheduled to play the NFC East (years : 1978, 1987, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2003, 2007) something strange happens we're either really bad (1987, 1996) or we lose our QB (1978, 1999, 2003) or something strange happens. That explains are horrible series record against NFC East teams while whenever we play the NFC North (former NFC Central) we've had pretty good years (1982, 1985, 1991, 1997, 2000, 2002, 2006). That explains are surprisingly good series records against the likes of GB, Minnesota, and TB. It's just a strange coincidence but in hindsight a good indicator of the type of year the Jets would have. For those who care....
The only period since the merger where the Jets went three consecutive seasons with a winning record was 2000-2002. The Jets did not face NFC East teams in any of those seasons.
Cotchery is better than Toomer and it isn't really close, only thing I will agree with you is that Cotchery isn't a top 5 WR
Wow, with the way you post, we should be competing with the Pats for the division, but we're not. You overestimate the talent on this team. If we are CLEARLY better then the Giants in all of the areas you mentioned, then we should beat them easily. But we probably wont because the Jets just arent that good. The talent just isnt there in alot of positions. The ONLY strengths on this team are Kicker, RB, and WR. Everything else is below average in my opinion compared to other NFL teams. And you can bring up Chads completion % all you want, but its obvious he is a liability. You wouldnt be able to name 10 other teams he would be starting on....
Cotchery is currently ranked 4th in receiving yards behind Moss, Chad Johnson, and Roy Williams. so in that aspect, yes, Cotchery is a Top 5 WR in the NFL. and that's with Pennington "throwing" him the ball.
Do you watch football? Not to mention he's done it in a tougher division and conference. Actually it's the truth. The whiners on the board just need a scapegoat and Chad is now the latest scapegoat even though he might be the least of our concerns if people looked at this team objectively. It's funny, after 2 1/2 games everyone was expecting the Giants to win about 4 games and now after beating 2 soft teams the Giants are all of a sudden a juggernaut and we have no chance. OBVIOUSLY they have a huge edge on the DL but so did Miami and so did Buffalo and we weren't dominated up front the last 2 weeks. Season judgments aren't made after 3-4 games. That's what everyone thought in 2002, teams do get better so it's silly to say we'll lose the majority of games on our sched. Eli is laying moons better than Chad? Would that be the same Eli w/ 5 INTs? Eli played well week 1 at Dal and in the 2nd half agains Wash- that's it. Chad has played well in every game he's played in this year and really only had the bad final few mins against Buf. What exactly is Eli doing that is so great? I don't underestimate Burress at all, he's an incredible talent who doesn't always give effort. he's playing great now but his #s will end up being as good as usual and you can never count on him in a big spot. As a tandem of coles and Cotch have a clear edge and overall Coles is better than Burress b/c he always plays hard. If Burress played w/ the will of coles he'd be a HOFer. Burress is playing maybe his best ball as a pro and his #s are only slighly better than Coles. We have not been a great franchise overall but we have had alot of good seasons just never in years we play the NFC east an the last 2 years we played them we were expected to be really good andeach time we lost our QB early in the season. Cotch isn't top 5 but he is CLEARLY better than Tooerathis point. Not even close. The Jets and Giants have similar talent, they are better up front we are better in most of the other areas. Obviously the giants are playing better right now so they are the better team but things change quckly. don't count us out yet and don't e fooled bythe giants beating 2 mediocore teams. Chad is not a liability, yo guys are 100% nuts. You just don't understand the game. It's not all about arm strength, Eli has a much better armbut always makes bad decisions, I'll always take the smarter guy over the more physically gifted guy.
Whiners No nothing scapegoat objective morons Attacking people's intelligence with your subjective opinion, is not making a cogent argument. If other people are morons, not objective, scapegoating, no nothing and are whiners it still doesn't logically follow that your opinion is in any way better than theirs. It does however say something about you that has very little to do with your knowledge of football.
What is wrong with wanting a QB who is both smart and can throw the ball downfield? The majority of starting QBs in the NFL fit that description. Here is what I think is the problem. Chad is a good QB and does have good career completion numbers but he is no good for the Jets. Why? The Jets can't run and they can't play defense. These aren't Chad's problems but he is the one who is charged with overcoming them. We need a QB that can put points on the board in a hurry. Somebody who can overcome the deficit we will almost always find ourselves in. That requires a QB that can throw the ball downfield accurately and he can't do it. So as good as he may be he's not a fit on this team with all their other weaknesses. And don't get me wrong, I am anything but a Clemens supporter at this point. He has a whole lot to prove as far as I am concerned.
if the Giants beat two softies, then what have we accomplished by barely beating the winless Dolphins -- possibly the worst team in the NFL right now? and if you wanna look at numbers, the Ravens aren't anything special at 2-2, and the Bills are terrible at 1-3, yet still beat us; but you claim the Giants' wins are overblown because they beat softies? then what does that make us? in this thread you say Buffalo didn't dominate us up front. in other threads when you defend Chad fucking up, you say he didn't have time to throw because the OL was getting dominated up front. care to pick one or does it really just depend on the argument, mainly, whether or not the arguement is you blindly defending Pennington?
Dont ever compare Toomer to Cotchery , Cotchery will school him in every category and he's not shure handed Ewahahaha you defintely dont watch any Jets games your just talking a bunch of BS.
I really believe it's only because he doesn't have the rep.... He's 4th in the league in yardage, even though Coles gets thrown at more than he does, and Cotchery is dealing with a VERY mediocre QB... You look at the other top 5, and other than Roy Williams, they all have very, very good QBs throwing them the ball... Cotchery's not up there by accident
Just when we start to doubt them, the Jets seem to come back and surprise us every now and then.... Don't count them out next week.
It's a simple answer. They always have an off year when they play the NFC east so that when I go to work on monday I can take as much shit as humanly possible from those asshole giants fans who know I can't just kick the snot out of them on the spot.
So it's OK that I get attacked for my truthful posts(which happens all the time by the way) but when I call whiners whiners it's wrong? I get it. Of course we'd like that but ther's MAYBE a handful of those guys playing in the league right now. They don't come along very often, all Chad has does here is win it boggles my mind tha amount of negativity towards him b/c of his arm. I assume all of you gys were happy when we had Nagle and Mirer b/c they had strong arms. So based on 3 awful qtrs and 1 good qtr against a Bal team that played soft in the 4th you think Clemens can overcome a bad D and no running game? We stink, did I say we beat a great team? We are awful right now. I said on the final INT he didn't have time to throw, he had less than second, they hit him before he could even set up which helped to cause the INT. Chad had time to throw during most of the game and he was succssful most of the game, we moved the ball all game long only to shoot ourselves in the foot about 5 times which cost us alot of points and the game. I hope so.
