It's been stated repeatedly on TGG and in the media. The Jets have applied no pressure so far this season, and now the pressure is on the team big time. So what gives? Why haven't we been able to get to the QB this season? Our defense wasn't exactly a sack machine last season, but we were at least able to apply SOME pressure. Tom Brady and Kyle Boller had time to start a camp fire and roast some marshmallows before throwing the ball. Are the Patriots and Ravens offensive lines just that good? We upgraded the d-line with Kenyon Coleman and now we have no linebacker or Safety pressures? I have no idea what the answers to these questions are, but I do know that if the current trend continues this season will be very dismal. Hopefully some of you guys can shed some light on wtf is going on.
The Jet's defensive line is no more suited to putting pressure this year than last. KVO was no pass rusher and Kenyon Coleman is not much of one either. The Jet's linebackers are the same crew as last year also with the main difference being the switch of Thomas from the right (rush) side to the left (strong) side. Pass rushing strong side is a different animal than weak side as you have a tightend in your face on most downs and you're also coming from the side the QB's field of vision extends to naturally. Finally, the Jets aren't blitzing all out so far. That's what it took last year to apply pressure and it's been absent in the first couple of games.
Most of our pressure last year occurred when we ran the safety blitz which we have curiously abandoned this year. Of course we have also abandoned the use of Smith and Washington too. Maybe it's because of who we played but I don't see how that should have be a compelling reason at all.
I wasn't suggesting that Coleman would apply pressure, I was suggesting that he would help free up lanes for blitzers. The Thomas switch is an interesting point. He had a decent amount of sacks/pressures last season, why the hell would we switch him up?
I said it in an earlier thread. We need more exotic blitzes. They are all very vanilla right now and are getting picked up. How about a corner blitz or some stunts up front to confuse the line..stuff like that. We don't have the personnel to attack the QB with only our line.
Just to add with your take on exotic blitzes.. I don't know if the Jets have the secondary where it needs to be at this point.. Since I've watched the Pats for so many years they don't really get crazy with those "exotic blitzes" when their secondary isn't 100%, especially when Rodney is out (2 more weeks).. I think you'll see more of that when the Jets secondary is flowing..
Agree completely. The Line is doing OK at holding thier ground against the run. They are unable to get to the QB alone and our blitzers have been very poor so far. Things are getting picked up and easily, we need more speed off the edge, be it actually playing Bowens or getting a corner or saftey in there.
I don't think its a problem of Secondary, but a front seven issue. In all fairness to our secondary, they are being asked to do too much. With getting no pressure for the front seven they need to be on top of their man all the time. Getting 5 to 7 seconds to throw the ball easily will get someone open somewhere. The Reason the Pats do not need these type of blitzes so much is not only are you linemen able to collapse a pocket, but your LB's are getting pressure when they blitz, two things that is not happening for the Jets so far this year. We May as well Blitz Barrett if he's going to give a 10 yard cushion every play. Its not like he's helping much otherwise.
it's apparent we are in trouble in just about all phases of the game. special teams, running game and most of all our offense t.o.p. our defense is out there too long and getting killed and it seems we are always a couple of big plays away from at least making the game competitive. the offense has to generate that spark and hope we get it this weekend or i can just say i miss john abraham.
We didn't want to show pressure against teams that were going to beat us. We only show it against the weaker NFL teams.
Watching Playbook on NFLN last night they had Casey Hampton, Steelers NT, discussing the position and I think it all starts there for us. It is really beating a dead horse on this board to say DRob isn't suited for the 3-4 but ultimately that is what we are dealing with. Until we can get a guy (or preferably guys) at the NT position that is going to draw double teams every down, and effectively handle those double teams, we are screwed running the 3-4.
Here's my take. The Jets since Herm's regime have been atrocious against the run. This year, we're better, as we were early last year. The problem, as usual, seems to be the personnel. Our guys can't stop the run the way they'd normally be expected to. So we have our guys concentrating on stopping it. That's leaving all the work in stopping the passing game to the secondary, and with our corners being crap, with the exception of Revis looking okay so far, it's putting more pressure on our safeties to do work downfield. Just imagine a QB's, any QBs, eyes light up when they see that their man is 1-on-1 with Barrett downfield because we blitzed our safeties. Ugh.
Teams have a year worth of film in the can now on the Jet's 3-4. Weaknesses in a defense become magnified when everybody has that much data on them. Last year Kerry Rhodes was the x-factor in the Jet's pass rush, causing problems on maybe a quarter of the overall pass snaps the opponent took. This year you can't do that because teams can plan for his presence in the box and absence in the backfield.
I don't know if this is the problem either when comparing to last season. Yeah, Barret sucks in coverage, but he was out there all last year too. You also don't have to blitz both safeties. You can send Rhodes and give Barret over the top help leaving Revis on an island instead. This is probably another key factor. Schemes can only get you so far, at some point athleticism has to take over and we don't have a single 3-4 play maker in the front 7. I remember Vilma talking about how training camp and pre-season covered a lot more of the intricate details of their defense this year because they knew the basics now. This was supposed to allow them to introduce a bunch of "new wrinkles". Well where are the new wrinkles? Are they not using them? Are they ineffective? Maybe they're more focused on stopping the run as Alio suggested. bargh.
Lets get this in perspective please............. The first game we played was against NE. Look at what that offense did to the Chargers. The Chargers in any reasonable persons mind are either the 1st or 2nd best defense currently using the 3-4. I think we can all agree with the fact that our defense is not close to theirs as presently constituted.The Patriots torched them as well, just as easily as they torched the Jets. That being said, it is still not acceptable to get clobbered like that. However it does give you some perspective. I think many (not the smarter posters for sure) lose sight of the above. Then the Ravens game. I think the defense improved drastically in the second half of the game. The Ravens could not get a run game going even with the perrenial Jet killer in McGahee. Their run game was stopped so effectively that Billick had to run 2 pass plays as the game was winding down to get a first down. This allowed KC to make some great throws to the All star that is commonly known as Jmac. I really want to reserve judgment on the defense because: 1.) The Pats game for reasons mentioned above was a throw away game. 2.) They improved drastically and without a doubt noticeably against the Ravens. I think one of the hallmarks so far of the Mangini regime is steady improvement. Last year all facets of the team steadily improved with the exception of a few. If he can achieve the same this year I think we will all be pleasantly surprised. Not trying to be a sunshiner, I just think that we are going to see significant improvement or at least I am hoping that we will based on the Ravens game.
All valid points but I'm talking specifically about getting pressure on the QB, which we've had none of. Your comments seem to be directed at the defensive performance as a whole.
