Reserve all the criticism until TJ finally hits the field

There's alot of people overreacting about this PRESEASON. I am for one lookin toward 9/9/07 so some real football can commence.

 

Finally someone on this board who knows exactly what they are talking about. From reading almost everyone others' posts on the board it gives me the impression the regular season has already started.

 

I agree it isn't panic time yet, but there are some fundamental things you look for in preseason. If the team just looked confused or were missing blocks, that is one thing. But when you connect with the person you are blocking and are getting pushed backwards every time, there isn't a whole lot coaching can do to fix that.

That being said, I'm still pumped for the season. I mean its the Jets, they always keep things interesting somehow. Leon has game breaking ability as does our special teams, hopefully Revis can score on D once in awhile, and if Chad does get mangled we have a good QB behind him.

 

My sentiment exactly. Our lines looked a little shaky on Saturday but we are still conditioning our guys back to the enviroment of NFL after a long lay off. I really think we will be a different team come opening day and don't forget our D looked awful early on lasy year but really came on strong the second half off the season.

 

I hope you're right, but the other teams are conditioning their guys after a long lay off, too. And as far as the "it's only preseason" goes, there is more concern with how poorly the lines looked on the LOS- not the result of the game.

I give some credit and credibility to the concerns of those who arent satisfied with just winning a preseason game against the vagiants. If the jets had lost, I could see the "it's only preseason" stuff applying, but they came out on the long end of the score, and it wasnt very satisfying to watch.

But on the bright side, I think the Jets have shown some good depth by being able to do well against the seocnd units of other teams. And depth will be important as the season goes along.

Amen, brother.

 

i dont think its panicky to see that there are some major flaws in the team thus far. i mean, our OL isnt that good and our DL is way off as far as the point of attack and getting pressure on the opposing offenses.

im also tired of the "vanilla" excuse. thats all vanilla play calling is...an excuse.

and "VAGIANTS" is my new favorite word.

 

first off chad has looked bad on his own, the line is partially to thank but thats another issue.

also, TJ cant bring balance if the line cant run block.

and most importantly the last highlight, holding back is exactly how you get injured.

 

I agree as well. Shottenheimer is putting together regular play calls that don't involve the confusing shifts and motions he will in the regular season. Remember the years we went undefeated in the pre-season and we were all hyped up as fans? We got our asses kicked in the regular season. People can say as much as they want about the pre-season; but there are really 3outstanding reasons for it. 1) Fantasy Football: you have to gauge who your sleepers are and who is healthy. 2) Who will make the roster and win their positions respectively. Coaches want to see the fight for positions to motivate others to work harder. 3) Sanding off the rust. Regardless of what players, vets and rooks alike, do in the off-season, nothing is like a game speed competition to gear up.

In my opinion, that's it. The crowd isn't there, the butterflies for the entire team that turns into energy is rarely felt, and the sense of urgency and play being at a full tilt level is held back.

Not sure if Patriots Nation is still here, but aside from saying "SCREW YOU; SEE YOU 9/9 BITCH," Brady had 2 INT's in their second game...and it means shit.

9/9 the JETS will come to play and Thomas Jones will keep the D in check and we have 2 weeks until we go.

 

Will TJ correct the fact that this defense can't rush the passer nor can it function in the 3/4 alignment? Nope.

Will TJ be able to run the ball through a OLine that can't run block worth a damn? Nope

Will TJ keep Chad from getting his bell rung once a game due to the reason I stated above? Probably not.

So, I think it's time we give this year's Jets the fisheye and watch how these obvious flaws are dealt with. Not time to jump off the cliff true. But it IS time for major concern with this severely flawed team.

 

The arguement about this being preseason would hold water if we werre talking about play calling or looking at a particular player. The problem is that both the OL and DL are being physically beaten at the point of attack. Also your prized LT who was the 4th player taken in the draft looks like a statue as the DE goes by him on the way to hit our QB.

 

if you think its bad here? People on JetNation are ready to pull an Owen Wilson...

 

TJ is not out savior. He will struggle with our OL untils it gels. In fact, I do not even think he is the best RB on our team. Secondly, I am concerned his injury is much more serious than is being let out. I think Rosenhaus knows this and went into early damage control on the injury. I think it will be Leon/Ware first game.

 

I don't think TJ is our savior, but if we are successful this year, his part will be intrical. How is he not the best RB on our team? Leon is NOT a pure RB yet. He is solid, elusive, and will be a great football player; but for someone who will be running between the tackles, Thomas Jones is who we want. Thomas Jones will be getting the ball 15-20 times per game and Leon will be stacked up with him and flanking out to get YAC. Plus Jones has the speed and the awareness to get outside and cut the corner. Ware is proven himself to be #3 RB on this team, PERIOD. He is not at the top of the depth chart. To think Thomas Jones isn't going to start / play in Week 1 is crazy. He's been back on the bike and has two weeks before the first snap.

 

I do not think that even in Mangini's mind is TJ the starter. I think he is 1A and Leon is 1B. They are our RB package. If TJ is healthy, he will play opening day, I was not saying Ware was #2 or anything like that. I disagree that Leon is not a pure RB. He is not a power back, but he can run between the tackles, and is extremely dangerous in the open field. I see him as very similar to Reggie Bush. Is Bush not a pure RB as well? Our running problems are not lack of ability at RB it is lack of good run blocking. Put Leon behind San Diego's line and he is a 1200+ yard RB.

 

Valid point, JohnnySD. To be honest, I think we're almost talking apples and oranges until we give Bush and Leon a chance to see double digit carries out of the backfield in multiple games. We all know it takes time to get in a groove and get warmed up, but I personally believe that TJ is in the backfield and Leon is, like you said, in the flat similar to a Reggie Bush. Once again, it makes the discussion harder because you can argue that Reggie can be a pure back in N.O., but can he in NY? And vice versa. I think Leon's receptions could possibly outnumber his carries - if TJ is healthy all year. I guess it's a waiting game to see what the O Line brings to the table come 9/9.

 

Did you miss all the times Leon was taken down last year by an arm tackle?

 

Ah your right, once Jones comes back we'll just start him at lg!
Preseason or not, our line got shredded by starters. There can't be any waiting for the season, this problem needs to be remedied NOW.