First off the redskins never won a SB w/ Verlon Biggs and won one SB w/ John Riggins. secondly, it wasn't Free Agency the way it is today w/ the big $ and the cap. Shannon Shape and corey Dilon were not Huge $ FAs and they weren't apart of a huge class of big names and big $ FAs. The Skins have tried nearly every year w/ that approach and it hasn't worked. maybe it works for the pats but it's never worked in the past and your examples don't come cloe to what the Pats have approached this offseason. Sure teams have brought in new players but no team has overspent like that and brought in a ton of big names and seen it work.
He was equally as succssful against us as he was against the pats. in 4 games against the Jets welker has 10 recs, 107 yds and 0 TDs which averages out to 2.5 recs, 27 yds and no TDs so he has illed us as much as he used to kill the Pats.:rofl:
NYJUNC; i think you are seeing only what you want to see thru green glasses. the homer comment was not to belittle, but to say your only seeing thru green. a thomas was the only big money contract(and he could have gotten more if he went to the 9er's,10 million a year) all the other signee's came fairly cheap. welker will average about 3 mill a year, same as moss and stallworth. face it, they are going to new england b/c they want to win a super bowl, and everyone that doesn't wear green glasses has to admit NE is a top runner for it next year. if moss acts up, they'll dump him like they have with other's in the past. they have enough reciever talent now, they don't need moss. he's a luxury and a damn dangerous one. seems a lot of jets fans want to believe it's all desperation on NE's part, but to be honest, they get the player's to want to go there b/c they're a winner and contender every year and we jet's fans are envious. NE has to be one of the top three contender's for the bowl this year and i only wish it were the jet's organization run this well. and that is reallity...
If you knew me you'd know i wasn't a homer, you'd know how much I have prasied NE. I admire what they have done and the way they do things but i think they made mistakes this offseason and as a Jets fan I am happy. You cannot look at contracts by the annual salry, the importnat part is the signing bonus/guaranteed money and Thomas got $20 mil while welker $10 plus they had to give up 2nd and 7th rd picks for Wes. Some of the other guys came "cheap" but they also come w/ baggage. NE showed the league how to win in the salary cap era and they have abandoned that formula. As long as Brady is the QB NE will always have a chance to win but I think these moves coupled w/ some of the movesof the past few year in regards to core Championship players will fracture the team. NE won 3 Sbs b/c they were the best team and not the best collection of individual talent(though obviously they were very talented), when FAs come in w/ big deals and long time Pats are ignored it will affect them. The ONLY move NE made this offseason that scares me is Randy Moss and he's a big if. Brady and Morris are solid backups so those were good moves but Stallworth is always hurt(he always plays but is always limited), Welker is a very overrated player as he's nothing more than an average #3 and return man and washington hasn't done a thing in this league. let's also not forget that mauroney was awful in the postseason and is hurt. They are far from a sure thing. I am no more afraid of NE than I was last year. They'll be good like always but they are nothing compared to their Championship teams. I respect NE and they are obviously the well deserved favorite in the AFC East but they are not unbeatable.
Perhaps you are thinking of someone else, but Verlon Biggs did not win any Super Bowls with the Redskins.
i mentioned that just not in the original reply. Not only didn't Biggs win a Sb in Wash but Riggins won 1 so his statement is way off base.
Worst Move: The Jets doing nothing to improve their OL! Thomas Jones will be viewed as a disappointment after this season when, in fact, it is the weak offensive line that will create the ineffectiveness.
I agree we needed to do more w/ the Ol this offseason especially considering they had an idea kendall would be a problem but our Ol w/ or w/o kendall is not weak. it was average last year and if the 2 2nd yr guys improve like we expect the Ol should be better. It won't be great but it should be as good or better.
Ferguson is good (and young), but hasn't shown much as a run blocker. Mangold looks as if he's going to be a great one. However, at the rest of the positions on the line - there is no apparent starting talent! This line, combined with a QB who can't air it out when he has to, is something I'm very concerned about.
You have undervalued Welker. I will assume you've seen Welker play against the Jets a couple times and maybe that's about it. Welker is a very good slot receiver. He's not wholly different than Troy Brown or Wayne Chrebet.
Welkwe had good reception 3s w/ poor yardage, avg. and TD #s. he was thrown to alot b/c his QBs would dump him the ball alot. Miami was always behind and threw the ball. miami threw it 590 times, over 100 more attempts than we had so 67 recs looks nice but 687 yards, 10.3 avg. and 1 TD do not. He is a decent #3 WR and barely an average return man. he was severely overpaid w/ $10 mil guaranteed and the gave up 2nd and 7th rd picks. He is not worth that, not even close. The man has ONE receiving TD in 2 years. Welker is nothing close to Chrebet or Troy Brown.
WOW!!! i think your forgetting that welker didn't have brady throwing him the rock. not as good as brown or chrebet, remains to be seen but your still looking thru green. 2nd and 7th, doesn't seem bad to me when you have brady throwing him the rock. he'll fill the void of a aging brown quite well i bet. you definitely under value welker, ill bet he's kills us this year. if it had been the jets that made all of these off season moves that the pats made, you would be singing a different tune. to say otherwise, is being a homer. the jets would jump all over just about every player the pats picked up this year. you keep saying it the bonus money that makes those signing so bad. other than thomas, i don't see anything that wasn't a excellent deal for new england. all the reciever's ne picked up are scarey, when you consider who is going to be throwing them the rock. brady makes average guy's look great. just what do you think he's going to do with these above average reciever's? all and all, your still seeing thru green, even though it may be unusual from your past postings. this pat's team is the most talented they have ever had!!! to say otherwise, is just being in denial of reallity...imho
It was Biggs, you're right they didn't win they lost to the Dolphins. Biggs was part of the George Allen teams that were put togther entirely with FA's and trades for misfits and washed up players. They went further than any Jet team except the 68 team.
He also will have much more talent around him for his QB to throw to. He'll have to compete w/ Moss, Stallworth and all those TEs. Welker is nothing more than a decent #3 WR and an average return man. i'll take my chances w/ him killing us. You don't know me very well. Go back and do a search on the Adalius Thomas threads before FA started and it will show I said I wouldn't want thomas if we overpaid for him. The jets were a rumored team to be interested and I said only if he comes at a reasonable price and $20 mil guaranteed was not reasonable. Why would I have wanted Welker? Stallowrth I would have taken a chance at, that was a good, low risk move but again he is always playing hurt. other than that maybe Brady as a blocking TE. i would not have been happy if the Jets had NE's offseason. I have seen teams try the big name route(including the Jets in the 90s) and it doesn't work. last year the marquee FA we signed was Kimo while we lost 3 PB caliber players and we went from 4 to 10 wins. it's not about big names and I have realized that for many years now. Welker got $10 mil guaranteed plus they had to give up 2 picks. the other players weren't overpaid but they are risky. The dynasty pats won b/c they were a great tam not a great collectio of individual talent. This Pats team is clearly more talented than a year ago but you don't win on talent alone and NE showed the league how to win in this era then they abandoned that philosophy which I think is a great thing for the NY Jets and I am pleased they did this. last year I was bashed for criticizing Miami for trading for the overrated Daunte Culpepper, folks like you said if he came to the jets I would have sung a diff tune(but like thomas I clearly stated before Daunte was moved I would NEVER want him as my starter), i was criticized for bashing Miami b/c I didn't like them much like people are saying about me in regards to NE and I was proven correct. Will it happen again? I think so but we'll see.
I don't care what his numbers were last year. I saw him play enough times to form an opinion without using stats. I believe he'll be as good as Brown and Chrebet. Alas, I hope I am wrong. I hope you are right.
