Jets' Pieces Falling Into Place....

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  1. brettbrettr

    brettbrettr New Member

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    This is misleading and unreliable and shouldn't be an indcator of how the Jets pick. A lot of it has to do with schedule, strength of opposition etc.

    I agree with the general assessment of OL as a huge area of need. And while I think a talented TE would be a nice addition to the offense, the simple fact is that the front 7 needs to be addressed early and often on draft day and likely in next year's offseason as well. We have a new scheme and bunches of players who either didn't contribute last year or quite simply don't fit. That said, they made a helluva run last year not letting up many pts in the last half of the season. But we have no pass rush and can't stop the run. That doth not a champion make.

    Going into last year's draft I joked that I'd be pleased if all we did was draft O lineman. This year its DE's and CBs. And that isn't to say I like our LBs cuz I don't.
     
  2. Run_N_gun10

    Run_N_gun10 Well-Known Member

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    Well Brett....Do you say that the Colts & Peyton Manning ranking 5th in offense is misleading ? Do you say that getting a 65 on your test is misleading. Do you say Kimo Von Oufuen getting no sacks is misleading. Well buddy...Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story, but it leads you in the direction of the problem. Stats are like a report card...remember those. If you smell smoke....there could be a fire. :breakdance:
     
  3. TheCoolerGlennFoley

    TheCoolerGlennFoley Well-Known Member

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    I understand the trade down mentallity but I feel at some point you have to get your impact players. If you can get a guy like a Darrel Revis with the 25th pick, someone who can solidify the corner position for the better part of a decade I think you make the move. I am all for the idea of building the line but offensive line is the one spot where you can get a quality player in free agency where age does not mean as much. I have no problem going after lineman in the draft, but a guard in the 1st round might be a bit much.

    To me, an ideal first day would go Revis, Woodley, Ben Patrick, Ramirez.
     
  4. brettbrettr

    brettbrettr New Member

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    There are some cases where you're comparing against a standard (eg test), and others where you're comparing different values (Colts O v any other O that didn't play the exact teams the Colts played), and even others where stats aren't misleading (Kimo is done). I didn't mean to imply that *all* stats are misleading.

    In re my point, try these two things:

    1. Look up and down the NYJ offensive and defensive rosters. Using your knowledge of 2007 and prior performances, keeping in mind player ages, attributes, etc., which side of the ball do you think needs more help?

    2. Re the Indy Colts, look around the league rosters and offenses. If you could have one offense, which would it be? (Also, in what rating system was Indy #5? Systems also are misleading, as some weigh some factors more than others, but that's something else....)
     
  5. Run_N_gun10

    Run_N_gun10 Well-Known Member

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    I like that...Jets' have quite a few needs & the more picks the better. My tickle is ..... W/O a pass rush, it won't matter who's playing CB for the Jets' Brady has perfected this 5-7 yd out to the right side, which was destroying Jets in that playoff game. I see the Jets need a bookend to Thomas on theother side at the OLB position. Thats where that impact player needs to come in.....IMO. That could have been Joey Porter or Adalius Thomas. Since Jets' didn't sign em'......They have to draft one now. They need a Lawrence Taylor :up:
     
  6. brettbrettr

    brettbrettr New Member

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    Quoted for truth.
     
  7. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    Hey Brett you post on 2+2?
     
  8. Run_N_gun10

    Run_N_gun10 Well-Known Member

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    Brett...Looking over the roster, you make good points. The tricky part here is.....On defense, the Jets' play a 3-4 scheme...which masks some of the deficiencys of the overall positional defense. Whereas on offense, its harder to hide the lack of overall talent, unless maybe....you have a very strong OL & run the ball alot & play a ball control offense.
    Whichever way Jets' go....They need some impact player & a dynamic pass rush. I say "you can never have too much speed on defense". Jets' need to get faster & bigger on defense & offense. Sometimes though...Like in the situation with Chad....If Jets' can establish a solid running attack, it helps the whole team. Its a cycle. Ball control means defense stay off the field; Jets' would control time of possesion; Jets' would control field position, etc. So with this in mind, lets build the OL & all the rest will 'fall into place'. lol:up:

    Also...I see that you are sorta new to the site. Welcome & enjoy yourself....& keep posting....Its what makes the ball go round.:breakdance:
     
  9. ATL-JET

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    If by some 'MIRACLE' McCauley does drop...we snatch him...I am with a few and think we should trade down and get more picks, we could get McCauley then, get OL/DL help with 5 - 6 1st day picks...but that's just my opinion.
     
  10. brettbrettr

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    Ya, I agree the 3-4 does mask some of the "positional deficiencies." At least in the front 7. Thing is about the O, a lot of the positions are really shored up. Both WRs are solid. RB has been (beautifully) addressed. QB is there. Some of the line is there. TE *could* use an upgrade, or the 3rd WR--in both I'm thinking the same things, that a TE to open the middle of the field or a speedy guy to spread the D vertically (for life after Chad more than life with) would help everything. But, I think, our defensive needs are just more pressing and widespread. Aside from possibly safety, we need help everywhere.

    If there's some unbelievable value on offense, fine, take him. And I'm not against going o in the first if we get some good DE's or CBs in the 2nd-6th. I think we're all thinking along the same lines here that pass rush helps everything on D just as OLine does to O. My original point was simply that stat rankings don't tell the whole story and while the Jets D was very impressive down the stretch last year, its far from where it needs to be and should be the major focus of the draft.
     

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