Now I want to make sure we are talking of the same Leon Hess. I am talking of the one who was pissed that his partner Sonny Wberlin signed JWN without informing Hess so Hess finally got rid of him. We are talking of that Leon Hess who gave us Charley Winner? We are talking of that Leon Hess who gave us Lou Holtz? We are talking of that Leon Hess who gave us Jim Kensil & Kotex & Coslet & Walton? Is that the one you are talking about who won his franchise NOTHING from 1971 to his death? Is that the man you are speaking about also?
Compared to those in the past it appears to be a tad more competant but when you are comparing the newbies to previous regimes it is easy to say the in guys now are better cause everybody before them since 71 was bottom of the barrel
I'm very confident in the competence and energy of our young tandem. I'm still not ready to put the Jets in the playoffs next season, let alone the Super Bowl, based on that. Year 1 of the rebuilding plan was a rousing success. It showed us that given a few breaks Mangini could pull a rabbit out of the hat and make the playoffs. We also saw tangible progress on all fronts on offense, with the line, the receivers and the backs all showing signs of emerging young talent to build around. On defense we saw Bryan Thomas finally produce something noteworthy and we saw Kerry Rhodes take another step on the path towards becoming a dominant safety. I'm sure that the Jets are on the right path at the moment, I'm just not sure how far they have to go.
Nonsense. Show me where we have spent less? Our cap has been maxed eacch year (with this year being the only exception) He picked Mangini bc he was the best for the job. Mangini will be as highly paid as anyone else as he get experience and acheivement.
3 years thats how you judge a F/O or a H/C for that matter. Last year being a rookie year for both was off the charts good :breakdance: Maybe a little too good. I for one had us winning 5 games, the dynamic duo(que the Batman music :grin: ) will have to really step up their game. Tannenbaum has really started the ball rolling with the Jones acquisition. Now comes the hard part a more difficult schedule and stronger division opponents will make a 10 win season equal to 12 wins last year. All thins considered they have done a decent job in building the team.
Are you kidding? Putting Hess on a pedestal is way off base. He hired all the jokers that kept the Jets down for 35 years. Was he a nice man? Possibly. Was he a good owner? Not even close. He hired people he trusted from business to be the powers in the office and they knew squat about football. There is a reason the Jets went decades without another champioship, and Leon Hess is the reason. Plus, as someone else pointed out, he moved the NY Jets to Jersey.
I didn't answer the question posed in the thread. Yes, I am confident in the FO and HC and owner and look forward to successful seasons.
There's not enough of a record to make a real judgment on Tangini, but has anyone done as well as these two in their first year. Not just wins, but adding players to the roster? As for The People vs. Leon Hess for criminal incompetence in running a football franchise, the People submit as Exhibit 1 -- Dick Kotite. And the prosecution rests, but only because the incredible amount of additional evidence is redundant.
Seems some people have not understood my question. Its not about records or comparisons , just how you actually feel about them , gut feelings or whatever you want to base it on.
This seems to me to be an excellent summary, and it doesn't in any way contradict that the Jets haven't caught up to the Pats this offseason. The Jets haven't been close to their class since they made it to the top, so expecting that to change after one season is unrealistic. And, as 'byz noted, as long as the Pats have Brady, and the Jets have no one remotely close to him (sorry, Chad fans, but it's the truth), it will be very tough for the Jets to catch them. Oh, BTW, as someone who (like champ) has been watching the Jets since the mid 1960s, I am quite sure that Hess was a pathetically bad owner.
Leon Hess didn't play the games. The players did. I already said the previous GMs were terrible at talent recognition. However, ask anyone in the league from the beginning and they will tell you Leon Hess was one of if not the best owner in football. Ask anyone who worked for him or played for him. Lamar Hunt being another. He also totally overpaid Namath at the time to get him in the AFL when no other owner would consider it.
Thomas will be thirty years old in August. Hartwell is done, his wheels fell off in Atlanta. Welker is a nice slot reciever, but they gave up a 2 and a 7 to get him. Vrabel and Bruschi are getting up there, and so is Harrison, those are the three of the five core guys on the Pats defense. Funny.... Jets fans that didn't want Thomas kept calling him 30 and on the downswing, but now that he's a Pat he's only 27! Hartwell will be 29 in May, and has had what, three knee surgeries in the past two years? I HOPE the Pats sign him! I do happen to think the Thomas signing was a great one though. They can waste money on Stallworth too, one of the most over rated under achieving WR's in the league. Now, if they signed Kevin Curtis on the other hand.... the Pats screw things up too... David Terrell comes to mind. Where do you get the 4 comp picks from? Branch was a trade.... no picks. Dillon was cut, no picks. Patrick Pass is an FA, but as of now unsigned. In addition, the signing of Thomas will offset any comp picks they might get. Who else did they lose? I can't think of anyone.... maybe a non starting CB or something, but I don't see them getting this windfall of comp picks at all. Woody isn't comitted? He's attempted to get our own stadium, and is now ponying up plenty of dough to get a truely shared stadium. He has let his so far brilliant hires of Tannenbaum and Mangini run the ship without interference. He dumping a ton of $ into a new state of the art training camp facilirty too. Does he have to meddle like a Snyder or a Jerry Jones to appear to be comitted? Yeah, I know he raised some ticket prices to help pay for it all. The Pats are still a better team, and will be again this year, but this doom and gloom outlook mystifies me. Crap, we went from 4 wins to 10, made the playoffs, got a good RB, and are improving the team. Just what does it take to make Jets fans happy about the direction of the franchise? You don't win the Super Bowl, you build towards winning it, and that's what this franchise is doing, and is WAY ahead of where anyone thought it would be at this point. Sorry for the rant, but I see your opinion as very slanted towards negativity while ignoring the positives. Don, you aren't related to cj69 by any chance, are you?
"Leon Hess didn't play the games. The players did. I already said the previous GMs were terrible at talent recognition. However, ask anyone in the league from the beginning and they will tell you Leon Hess was one of if not the best owner in football. Ask anyone who worked for him or played for him. Lamar Hunt being another. He also totally overpaid Namath at the time to get him in the AFL when no other owner would consider it." Leon Hess didn't play in the games but he chose the front office and through them the coaching staff. He was, I am sure, a very nice man. He was also a lousy owner. I have been following the Jets since they were the Titans, and while Hess was always the nice grandfatherly type, the people he chose to put in charge (at least till Parcells came along) were suits in the background that knew business but not football. Woody is also a businessman but he has some real football peope in charge, and it is beginning to show.
Incidentally, it wasn't Hess that overpaid Namath, it was Sonny Werblin. At that time Hess was a minority owner.
Why do people keep bringing up our schedule this year? Yes it is going to be tougher than last year's, but let's not forget that the rest of the teams in our division will have similar schedules.
I fully expect that both Tannenbaum & Mangini will win a SB in there respective positions before they retire, I just hope it is with the Jets..
You get compensatory picks for what happened during last years FA. Without remembering who they lost or signed last year, I seriously doubt they will get 4 picks this year, nevertheless signing Thomas has nothing to do with compensatory picks for the upcoming draft. The patriots are starting to get older but they are gonna be a legit force for at least the next 4-5 years and have already improved the team for this upcoming year and they are only going to get better with the rest of FA and two first round picks.
