Portis + #6 for Vilma + #38 I do, Portis + #6 for Vilma + #25 I waver but caould be convinced. Betts + #6 for Vilma + #38, I'd take a helluva lot of convincing. Betts + #6 for Vilma + #25, no chance. We're filling a need by creating a need there, that's not sensible unless you think that there's a genuine shot at filling two more needs in FA. Tannenbaum has already said he wants to have the roster shored up ahead of the draft.
if that trade did happen it would be once again that the Gm/head coach make a stupid mistake. we dont even know if this 3-4 is here to stay its only been one year. next year might be a mix up of 3-4 4-3 like the patriots do then what??? you'll be wishing you had jonathen vilma here
It’s so weird to see a “Trade Rumor --- Trade Vilma for XXXX” thread. What will you guys think of next – a “We should get Randy Moss thread”?
I do not understand how Jets fans always think the next superstar is in the high draft. If anybody should know the draft is a gamble we should. I think Vilma is a good player, I don't think Betts is anything special. Living in Denver, I questioned them getting rid of Portis, but it was definately better to have a proven defensive star.
If you look at our team honestly outside of Mangold and Rhodes, there isn't a must keep player on the team.
He was okay, not great. I'm not saying he should be traded but the guy is not yet a stud LT. He may become one but he was far from an elite player last year.
Trade at all costs because in your negativity you would rather just trade anyone not named Namath even though the trade makes zero sense is a lot different than trading a player and shoring up a glaring need or trading a player for equal value or trading a player and getting another player that fills a need and getting extra picks. Those situations are entirely different. BTW just to be clear that fictional "player" in the above example can include just about any Jet .
I guess it depends on your definition of dominant and game changing players. IMO Derrick Brooks, who I believe has gone to 10 consecutive Pro Bowls and probably a 1st ballot HOFer, is not a ferocious hitter but has been a dominant and impact player in this league. There are a ton of players that hit hard and can't play the game. Vilma and Brooks IMO are very similar in size and skill sets. There is no doubt in my mind that in a 4-3 defense w/ some quality players in front of him that Vilma could mirror Brooks' production. Similarly, Brooks more likely than not would not have the type of career he had as a 3-4 ILB w/ the likes of Kim Von "Old" Hoffen in front of him. Although I'm not a fan of this proposed trade, I am not opposed to trading Vilma. I think fans have the tendency to devalue players when we want to trade them away and overvalue them when they want them. Being the type of high character guy he is he would never come out and say this, but trading him could be best thing for him and the organization since his talents are not being maximized in this scheme.
The topic of trading Vilma for a top RB or high draft choice or both isn't exactly a conversation making zero sense. I'm not sure I get your point. Clearly the team has some very good role players but the fact is we have very few game changing studs and while many people on this board love our players, I don't see the real can't trade players on our team if we are going to be able to improve with those trades. I will say that trades in football are very often negatives for both teams because good role players tend to be overlooked by the team that has them and over rated by the team that doesn't have them.
IMHO you fall into the the catagory as never seeing the forest from the trees or vice versa. If this or ANY trade will improve us then it should be done. Here in JV you are talking about a just average player that will never make his impact in the NFL say like LT ot ML has so what is the difference of trading one average player for another especially when you can just plug in another average player to take JV place cause he does not fit the Man 3-4 scheme which I think will not change so long as he is the HC of the NYJs? It is not being negative it is just the want to upgarde the team so we win the SB since the last time we won was only a few short days like 38 years & 35 days ago since our last one in case you forgot that most important point. Just winning is NOT ENOUGH since the goal of the regular season is to win the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP not just make the POs & exit after the 1st round
but the point is the coaching staff wants to play 3-4. They are not gonna fit the system around Vilma
I have posted my thoughts on the trade and this trade sucks. It does not address any of the glaring needs of either the Defense or Offense. What it does do is create a hole in the LB unit. An LB unit that was a strength of this defense. It does zilch to shore up the horrible defensive line. It does give us a high pick. Hoewever do we know who is going to be available to help the D-line? Trades to move up in the draft are only successful the day of and when the team is confident the player is going to be there and the player will in fact fill a gigantic hole. However, it is a confirmed fact the most successful teams at draft time move down and acquire more picks............but that is another argument altogether. Now as far as Offense this trade gives us another second stringer. Great just what we need. It does not shore up the running game or lack there of. Why? because the lack of a running game was due more in part to the horrid run blocking of this line. The lack of push from this finesse line should be pretty evident from anyone that watched games last year. I know you saw it Winston. So what this trade is, is trading a young leader on Defense for a question mark on offense which allows us to move up in the draft into the top 10. I am not saying that Vilma is untouchable. What I am saying is that he is a young leader on this team, a quote unquote Mangini type player, that I think is a winner. Now if we can get equal value and keep the chemistry on the team similar while also shoring up a glaring weakness than I am all for the trade. Again just to be clear I am not looking for 100% certainty the trade would do all of these things just a high degree of likelihood............... which is something any trade must offer to determine how good it is. I hope this clears things up.
Good God No! drafting an NT is a huge gamble picking that high, we should learn from Drob not make the same dumbass mistake over and over again, and as for Betts he was a backup last year, why must we be so eager to start team's benchwarmers? Yes Vilma has struggled, but our dline has been terrible for him the last 2 years, and we can get a new NT with where we are now anyway and it will be cheaper, damn it is time to trust our scouting crew for once.
If the powers that be determine that trading Vilma or any player will benefit the team, then I'm all for it. I don't have the "Vilma sucks" attitude that some people around here have, but if the coaches feel it's in the best interest of the team then I'll support them, since I root for the team first and the individual players second.
How old are you 60? You still have no grasp on Football. How does this trade make the Jets better today. HOW????????????????????????????? It does not. Too bad the forest you see are all full of trees without leaves.
Besides not seeing he forest from the trees or the trees from the forest you do not read well since I said "If this or ANY trade will improve us then it should be done." I would think that is a very clear statement of my views of any roster player now on the NYJs including JV
The Jets may in fact have more than one move to make with a deal. They may like 2 or 3 players in the top 10 they think is just as good as Vilma and they make think Betts is better than the 26th pick? There are a lot of ways to look at this deal. They also may package the 6th and our 2 2nds to move up to get one of the two young franchise QB's coming out? That's a move that I personally would love. Maybe we end up with Quinn or Russell and Betts for Vilma our 26th and 2 firsts? There is a lot you can do with the 6th pick and 2 No. 2's.
