He might still be there at 16. 33 probably not, but 16 is very possible. Would be interesting what Mooge will do in this scenario. Tate and Lemon will probably be gone, and if they are off the board, a WR at 16 and 33 might be a very similar guy... Looks like a deep WR class, but not really much differentiation in a fairly solid size pool after top few. I personally would prefer to trade up for Tate or Lemon, but if not and they are taken, in this scenario Simpson might actually be in play there.
I want absolutely nothing to do with Lemon. He screams bust to me. He’s incredibly dumb and Lincoln Riley schemed him open. He’s a real Lemon lol. Tate won’t make it past the Fins at 11. I feel that’s his absolute floor and will probably go in the top 8 picks If Simpson is there at 16 I think it’s worth the price. He operated a pro like offence with Ryan Grubb and I think he will pick up the speed of the NFL quickly
IMO we should pick a qb a year until we have a quality one and after that it should still be a priority in the draft even if not a top priority. We need a pipeline
Just met the staff in my hotel lobby on their way out. Kept it short and sweet but I made sure to tell them that every single person on tgg.com supports every single thing they do and never doubts them or thinks they are stupid. In all seriousness, Glenn and Reich were extremely cool. The only other person in the hotel decided to talk to Reich about the Panthers and that’s when I bowed out. Gotta go out on top.
Saw an interview w/Lemon… I imagine I shouldn’t read too terribly much into how people speak, however, you can tell when some people simply have “nothing” going on upstairs and this kid seems like he’s one of those. I get it, rocket scientists need not apply to the NFL, but it would be helpful if they could put together two declarative sentences without saying.”like” 100 times a second. what I want to know is how he qualified for college and actually was able to maintain staying there for any longer than a few minutes. Fields…Fields…Fields at 33 please!! Considering what I’m reading, does anyone think the organization is stupid enough to draft Simpson at two?
No, but there was a brief moment early on when I thought JD was going to do things right. So you never know. Mougs and JD's beginnings are very similar.
I tend to agree with those that are not in favor of Lemon with the second pick for many of the reasons already mentioned, including his mental make up. I hope we get a much needed outside the numbers X WR type big and physical. If we want another weapon to roam the slot and middle of the field Sadiq the TE would be a great weapon along side Taylor. There are not too many LBs or safeties that will keep up with him.
Which is why I want to trade up for Tate, depending on the cost, but somewhere around 7-10th spot. Or if someone like Bain slides to around 10, can you imagine both Reese and Bain on the team? So, I would keep trade up option open. But if these blue chip prospects are gone and we can't/don't trade up, I can see us taking Simpson at 16 and then a WR at 33, which will probably have similar success probability as the one at 16. It will complicate things for us though as 2027 is supposed to have a lot of good QB prospects, and Simpson might not play enough this year to know if he is the guy. So, come 2027 we might be in a tough spot. Which is why I would prefer to trade up for a blue chip player, but if not and all of these are off the board (there are not that many of them in this draft), I would not kill them for taking Simpson at 16.
Even if they draft simpson and he doesn't play this year, they still should draft a qb in the 1st round next year.
100%. It would suck to burn #16 for this, but I guess we could recoup some value by trading him next year. And in this draft I am just not sure if #16 will be much better than a second rounder. So, if he plays and looks bad, it may not be the worst thing actually. The thing is though, if we draft him, and Geno is playing solid and Simpson does not play or say we benched Geno at the end and he played a few games and looked OK for a rookie. Does that now mean we are going to skip on a QB in the next year's draft and won't be aggressive getting one using assets we have since Simpson's evaluation has not been completed and we spent #16 on him? There are possible complications if we draft him when it comes to the opportunity cost in next year's QB draft. The worst case would be where we draft him, he looks like he deserves more evaluation next year, we skip on a QB on 2027 draft with all the good ones coming out and say we have a chance to get one, and then Simpson sucks and the guy we would have drafted in 2027 but skipped on is a stud. That scenario would probably be more like the Jets.
Yes it’s a tough spot to be in, but we’ve needed a true franchise QB for SO long, that it kinda feels like we have to keep drafting until we find the guy, and if we have two (like in that scenario where we draft one this year but don’t see enough to know if he’s it or not so we draft one next year too), then that would be a great problem to have…when they are on rookie deals you don’t break the bank, but in reality you have to kind of choose one to develop, but you still can keep both for a year and then trade one of them later. We should have such problems. Not the best use of premium draft picks I guess but today’s game is all about the QB if you want to be a true consistent Super Bowl contender…need to do whatever it takes to find that guy
The way I see it if Tate is there at 10 I’m trying to trade up with the Bengals who definitely don’t need a WR and it totally fucks the Fins which is the cherry on top. After Tate the WR talent in my opinion falls off a cliff. Lemon and KC are going to be busts. I like Fields and Branch a lot but we can get them in the second round. If Bain is there at 10 Cinci won’t move the pick they take him in a heartbeat. Outside of Cinci I can’t see many other teams wanting to move back as far as 16 in the top 10. All that could be pie in the sky as well because I could see Tate going from 6-8 realistically. Simpson will be a good Quarterback and as far as I’m concerned the Jets need to take one every year until they hit on one. Next year included and have a healthy competition for the job. You get the most out of a quarterback when they are trying to earn a starting role. You can really see who the guy is.
I don’t think they will do that, Reich, Musgrave, Moog are exactly what Glenn and Woody need. I was reading an article about Mendoza, it was Musgrave who gave him a scholarship on the spot to Cal when he saw his film and scouted him in Miami, Mendoza was going to play for Yale and was only considered a 2 star recruit by all the experts. Musgrave offered him a chance to start for Cal and helped him develop. Honestly with Reich and Musgrave I’m leaning towards having some hope that it will not be a repeat of Zack Wilson with Saleh, Lafleur and Douglas. If Musgrave helped land Mendoza in Cal, then his experience coupled with Reichs could help Jets trade down and acquire more picks and still grab Simpson if they believe he has what it takes to develop into a good NFL QB. I just hope Woody doesn’t get desperate and screws up Moogs plan.
If the Jets draft Simpson anywhere in the first 3 rounds, then Mougey should be on the hot seat. That is a complete waste of a pick on a total project who hasn't proven anything consistently at the college level. He's the epitome of an upside, raw, unproven pick and the Jets don't have the roster, especially at QB, to make a luxury pick like that especially in the premium rounds (1-3). Build up the rest of the roster this draft. That should be the mantra. Honestly, there's really no need to draft any QB in the draft this year as he won't get any playing time and the Jets will be drafting QB in 2027. They may possibly draft 2 QB's since it's a deep class. If the top guys after Mendoza in this class are Simpson, Nussmeier, and Beck then there's no need to waste a valuable pick on any of them. The only one I would even somewhat consider would be Beck based on his experience and being such a winner. He did it at UGA and Miami most recently. He's performed on the biggest of stages and that's invaluable experience as most QB's never get that opportunity, while he got it at two schools. He's pretty cool under pressure and has some swag.
It sounds good in theory to take one every year, but in practice it does not quite work like that. The success rate of any QB drafted below top/mid 2nd round to play well for his team is extremely low. Like as almost no chance at all. So, yeah, you can be drafting in lower rounds every year, but probability tells you, you might be drafting like that for a very long time without finding an FQB. In the mid rounds drafting a QB is more for a long term cheap back-up. Now, that means you have to spend a high pick to get one, often top 10 or even top 3. To burn a pick like that every year is not practical. Additionally, you don't know after one year after spending a 1st round pick if you have the guy. You probably need to give it at least two years, sometimes even more. Even most recent guys like Ward, Shough, Dart, you just don't know after 1 year. If you draft one every year, you may discard one that may actually turn out to be good, in additional to wasting tremendous capital. The bottom line here is that the theory of drafting one every year is much easier said than done in practice. You draft one if you think the probability is fairly high and you have to weigh this against the opportunity cost, which in our case could be trading up for a total stud (if the chance presents itself) and very likely forgoing drafting one in 2027, which is expected to have a good QB class. Again, it does not mean you don't draft Simpson, but it's just not as simple as drafting one every year. For me when I weigh these probabilities, I am trying to trade up for Tate or maybe Bain or another blue chiper if possible. If not possible and all blue chipers are gone by 16, where effectively a non QB at 16 is not that much different from probability of success perspective than 33, I do think Simpson comes into play IF Mooge/Glenn/Reich and Co think he is a very good prospect.
