Add Ronnie Lott & Sean Taylor to that mix. Also, not in the same breath as those guys previously mentioned but I really loved watching Chuck Cecil play safety. Dude would destroy people.
Yeah man Chuck Cecil was an animal, he would wreck a dude and then start screaming in his face, like a football berserker
The consensus has us going Reese at #2, and I've talked myself into it tbh. Bain is not needed IF we already have JJ and W McD, wether it's right or wrong. Glenn's job is on the line, he needs starters. In terms of 16, I actually wouldn't go WR here. I think between GW5, Mitchell, and i'd be totally fine with a guy like Elijah Sarratt in round 2. I just think our QB play is in such shambles, we don't need this type of WR right now. I'd go for best defensive player available here and hopefully that is a CB or DT. 1-2: Arvell Reese, LB OSU 1-16: Kayden McDonald-DT OSU 32-Elijah Sarratt, WR IU 44-Trinidad Chamblis, QB Ole Miss
It’ll depend on free agency, but I disagree on the need for WR. Have we learned nothing from two decades of fielding good to above average defenses coupled with shit offenses = no playoffs? I’d rather build up an offense and let the defense come along. I think the need for WR2 is as desperate as our need for defensive help. Now if this Surratt guy is all that, then maybe that’s the right way to go, but I’d feel much better if we could come out of day 1 with a highly rated WR. I don’t think much of Mitchell at all…yes he’s fast but he drops half the balls that hit his hands. There’s a reason the Colts threw him into the deal. From what I’ve seen so far, he is a WR4, borderline WR3. I don’t care how fast you run if you can’t catch the ball…and we just drafted a guy like that in Smith. I also don’t think much of Metchie…certainly not starting quality yet. He had some nice games and then he had some where he was totally invisible. So Mitchell and Metchie are good WR4/5/6 types, I’d keep Williams for sure especially as he’s a great KR, Smith I could care less…I’m guessing Mougey will keep him as he drafted him to see what he can do with better QB play, but honestly the guy showed NOTHING last year…he’s like a WR5/6 at best. And if we let Breece go, we will have exactly ONE offensive playmaker. GW. That’s it. I like what we saw of Taylor last year but hard to know what he really is….all he did pretty much was run 5 yard outs last year. Will need to see him in a real offense. So yeah, I think passing on offense would be a bad, “same old Jets” kind of thing to do. We’ve been doing it for 20 years. I get our defense sucked balls last year, but I think a lot of that was directly due to bad coaching, as all of our players got worse. We’ll see if it improves this year now that Wilks is gone… But we can’t ignore offense…we finally have an NFL level OL…now we need a few playmakers.
At this point, I couldn't give a crap who they draft as long as every-single-one all the way down to the last kid drafted lands in 2026 as a STARTER! Not developmental, starter. If, as many seem to think on this board, the talent is that bad then someone on this roster should be unseated by a 7th round pick.
Wow, Connor Rodgers just summarized EXACTY what my thoughts are on Reese/Bailey/Bain: https://x.com/BadlandsTOJ/status/2022083056279204110 “We don't know if Reese will be a good pass rusher in this League. I know Bailey and Bain will be good pass rushers in this League. I know exactly what David Bailey is good at. I know exactly what Rueben Bain is good at. Arvell Reese is a pretty good off the ball LB. I don’t know, with confidence, if [Arvell Reese] is going to be an effective edge player.” And btw, @REVISion, I know you mentioned his pressure rate was on par with Bailey, but I was trying to explain before that mostly generated this pressure off blitz packages, not by winning on the Edge. Only 3 sacks all season came from Edge sets. But I finally found the stats that illustrates it the best. Actual pass rush win rate. Reese has only 13%. Bailey 21.6%, Bain 23.5% PFF also has a subset called true pass set: "A True Pass Set (TPS) in PFF is a filtered passing snap used to evaluate offensive linemen in isolation, excluding "gimmicky" plays like screens, play-action, or quick throws. It isolates one-on-one pass protection, typically involving 4+ pass-rushers, a standard dropback depth, and a time-to-throw of at least 2 seconds, making it highly predictive of performance." There Bailey is 38.6, Bain 30.3, and Reese is 27.1. https://premium.pff.com/ncaa/positi...s&position=ED,LB&team=220,260,315&minimum=20p Probably between these two numbers there is a real win % number somewhere, and of course winning is not enough, you need to finish, which Bailey did better than anyone else. The point is Reese is a MAJOR projection. Yes, he is better at 20 then Bailey who improved later, but we don't know how much Reese improved. And the fact is, he is just not a QB disruptor right now, and may never be. For me at 2 for the Jets I cannot take this risk, it's too much of a gamble, too huge of a leap of faith here. Feels like a luxury pick. Give me Bailey or Bain at 2.
Disagree with Connor there. We don’t know if anyone will be a good pass rusher in this league, it doesn’t work that way
Perhaps, but we do know they were great pass rushers in College. Reese hasn't reached that level yet even in College, played a different role. To say he will be a great QB disruptor in the NFL is a projection on top of a projection. Yes he is young, but that does not mean he would even become a QB menace in College had he stayed, not to mention the NFL. This just feels like too much of a gamble. And I know some people will take it, but Bain and Bailey have high ceilings too and at least we know they can torch the QBs at College level. For the Jets now it's too risky for the Reese gamble IMO. Not with Bailey and Bain being this good and way more proven.
I think you can say Bain is proven but Bailey wasn’t a special pass rusher until this season, his 4th in college football, on a stacked defense
Haven't watched him before, but this year watched a lot of tape recently, regardless of stacked defense, the guy just wins on his own. He has arrived. Stepped up in play-offs too, led FBS in sacks, #2 TFLs. I think that counts as proven. And @Rockinz also mentioned he watched him play well for Stanford as well last year. I feel pretty comfortable with both of these guys, just worried about Reese.
id take Reese. He’s got a special skillset, you are drafting no 2, don’t play it safe. Bain would be my 2nd choice I respect his game tremendously Bailey is Will McDonald, he’s gonna give you nothing in the run game. He will be a 3rd down pass rusher for someone but not worth it at no. 2. Especially when we already have Will McDonald
Yeah I'm just not as sure about Bain as Rodgers is. I think Bain is absolutely high floor but I don't know if he'll get sacks in the pros. Bailey is fine if we trade down but I have Reese above him at #2 due to age/upside. Reese was the better college player at the same age.
He is way better than McD as a pass rusher according to every stat measure. Douzable thinks run defense was good too: https://x.com/LegerDouzable/status/2022137433400455304. Also funny comment from Daniel Jeremiah there: "Finishing up the OT class and it seems like most of them have something in common-- they got absolutely smoked by Texas Tech Edge David Bailey."
I saw this Jeremiah quote too and I’m wonder how much of it is what @BrowningNagle brought up above… he played on a filthy DL. I’d be interesting to hear how much of this was one on one and how much of this involved help. When you play on a line that good you’re probably not dealing with many double teams or chips.
I think Bain will have a career like Shawn Ellis. He’ll be an every down player that is tough against the run and gets about 8 sacks a year. Reese scares me, I’m just not a fan of guys that don’t have a true position. Trading down would be the best option.
No one is trading up for Reese, Bain or Bailey because either a.) they’ll be in position to draft one of them or b.) if they aren’t it’ll cost a ton. Teams don’t trade up to 2 for non-QBs. We gotta erase that as a viable option. I’d take that from Bain but I wouldn’t love that value from a 2nd overall pick. I’m going with the highest ceiling every time.
Yes forgot to add Will Anderson as the exception to the rule. The Jacksonville trade up was so dumb I can't pretend it's a path anyone will follow. Point being, I don't think anyone is trading up to 2 for either of those three guys if they can land one at 5 or 6. And if someone wants to move up from 7-10 to get him, they gotta pay up. I just don't see it.
