Because we're the Jets

There are some pieces in place, the offensive line has promise, Taylor looks good, Garrett Wilson IMO is a very good 2. The defense feels like shambles but they have allowed core players to leave or traded them away.

That's part of the formula when you're the Jets and you have a new GM every 3 to 5 years. Their first instinct is to build their own team and cast away the players from previous GMs. So you have no continuity, especially when you're also changing HCs at the same rate and are constantly changing personnel needs.

Sauce and Quinnen weren't playing to their ability, but they both have elite skills and have displayed it on the field wearing a Jets uniform. Even when the first round picks they've selected weren't abject busts, they always cast them off like plague carriers.

You can only build a championship roster with competence and continuity. Maybe they hit on picks they have this year and next but will those players even be here in 5 years?

 

I would still take a shot on Chambliss if he's there at 44. If he ends up entering the draft I have a feeling his stock is gonna rise like crazy from all these lazy, dated projections that he's a late round pick. He's solidly a 2nd round pick if he comes out and maybe higher.

Beyond that, the GM can really add some dynamic weapons at 2, 16, and 33. They can get studs on D and O. If they don't come out of this draft with a Bain and a Surratt who are both impact guys year 1, then they will never, ever learn.

No more projects or potential. You need proven commodities out of this draft from the best programs in the country.

 

I liked Chambliss based on his on-field play, but do you really want a guy who doesn't even want to be in the NFL?

 

He does seem intent on going back to college for another season.

With the chance of the Jets claiming you, I think I'd sue to go back to school as well lol

 

Mougey has to prove himself this year. or else he’s just another Joe Douglas, in my opinion

so you’re right we need an entire roster to rebuild

the real rebuild, has to be with coaching and management and that’s on Woody, the owner

the reason why you don’t want a hot shot. Rookie QB is because he’ll be ruined by the Jets right?

That really is the trend when you look at Caleb Williams and Jordan love Bo Nix and of course Drake Maye in New England

I have a very good feeling about Carson Beck and everyone’s laughing at me.. you can get him right away at two or maybe even later in this year draft

I had a great feeling about Patrick Mahomes, but everybody on this board didn’t b believe in “air raid “ Quarterback in the NFL

I liked Baker Mayfield too, but everybody on the board called him a “midget”

meanwhile those two QBs have championships, divisional wins, and one Super Bowls

I believe every year a team like the Jets needs to draft quarterback until u get your franchise quarterback

 

Where did he say he doesn't want to be in the NFL? He's trying to get another year of college eligibility but I wouldn't take that to mean he doesn't want to go to the NFL. That's the obvious next step in the process. The Jets draft room needs to swing big and get the best college players. This kid has a shot at being a good NFL QB. I'm not sure if he will pan out but he's definitely got a legit shot based on what he's done so far.

I don't know if the Jets under Woody are scared or they just don't know any better (probably the latter), but they need to learn quickly that it's ok to grab the best players from the top programs. I've been saying this on here forever now. No more projects. No more potential upside BS. You take the guys who ball out the most at the best programs against the best comp. All the other crap is secondary. If they don't come out of this draft with guys who can help them in Year 1 right away like Bain, Surratt, and many others then they'll never turn the franchise around. Get the best, proven pieces.

 

First round draft pick contracts are 4 years plus an option so I am ignoring picks in the last 4 years - so from 2010-2021 the Jets had 13 first round picks (and many of them top 10 picks) - of them the only players not to get traded while a rookie are Wilkerson (who was cut less than halfway through his second contract) and Quinnen Williams (who was traded this year) - these first round players should be the cornerstones of your franchise.

Now to be fair the Jets are not the only team that do not resign their first rounders - from what I can see the reported rate across the NFL is about 30% of first round picks sign a second contract with the team that drafted them - but with the Jets that rate is only 15% (and that is being generous given what happened with Wilkerson's contract) and I believe that is down to a mixture of a high rate of draft busts but also because of the constant churn of HCs and GMs that leads to them wanting to change direction so that players no longer fit and are moved on.

 

The problem with your logic is that if you build a competent roster first you wont be in the draft position to get the "hot young QB". This year Simpson is likely to be there at 16. We need to take him. One pick more or less wont get the rest of the roster re-defined. In order to do that you need to hit on the day 2 and day 3 picks.

 

If you build a competent roster first, you can freely trade away current and future draft capital and move up to get a QB. Without a QB you aren't picking later than 12-15 anyway, so your picks will have plenty of value.

 

You know…this was my initial reaction too!

If it’s his 7th fucking year in college? Really?

It’s a different world now and as @Borat says, college ball has basically just become semi-pro ball now with the transfers and NIL and ages and stuff…it’s a farce to call it “college football”

But yeah, I think I want guys who WANT to play…a guy who’s fighting for a fucking 7th year of college ball is a guy who is scared of the NFL because he knows he’s too small

I want winners, not guys scared to play

 

Yeah, this is a big pet peeve of mine…I firmly believe that you don’t get better by trading away great players…like this year we traded away two former All Pros for multiple picks that we HOPE will turn into All Pro players…they have to, otherwise you are just gettting worse.

I get why Mougey did it, but to me, the problem is a failure to really see the WHY behind the WHAT. The WHAT was the truth that both Q and Sauce were not performing to the level they are capable of. The question is WHY. Did they lose that talent, are they slower, are they old, are they hurt? I don’t think it’s any of those. I think it’s coaching and motivation. They didn’t fit what Glenn and Wilks were wanting or doing. To me, that’s a coaching problem not a player problem. But we traded them away as if it was a problem with the players.

In the long run, that doesn’t make you a better team unless your GM hits with most of those picks, and hits to the point of All Pro level talent.

We’ll see, but the weight is now fully on Mougey’s shoulders.

 

This, this, this and FUCKING EH, THIS!!

I am, literally, sick of the entire "potential" argument. Teams like the Chiefs and Eagles can draft kids on the "potential" to be good. The NY Jets need to be in the mindset of drafting kids that are going to come in and knock someone's head off the moment their toes touch the field. End of the god damn story. When I see shit like Zach Wilson or Anthony Richardson or Vernon Gholston I just absolute want to fucking slap the eyeballs out of people's heads. I called Anthony Richardson the moment he was drafted. I put down $ he never plays another significant down in the NFL. He may bounce around, ala Fields, but when the dust settles he will have been a wasted pick on POTENTIAL!

Simply had enough.

Take the current draft, throw POTENTIAL in the fucking trash, and tell me:

Who was more PRODUCTIVE his entire college career? Bain or Reese?

Not, well, player x looks like he has the POTENTIAL to be a world beater 3 years from now. Fuck that. The question I want answered, immediately, is "who can step on the field game 1 of the 2026 season and absolutely destroy whomever is on the opposite side of the field." End of damn story. FUCK POTENTIAL!!! 15 mother f'n years this team has been pissing around with POTENTIAL.

You want to know the difference between the Patriots and the Jets? THAT is the difference. Full fucking stop!

Sorry, I know a bit of a "heated" rant but I'm not just blowin' smoke up people's asses here. It is full on fucking FACT. It simply blows my ass away how SIMPLE the equation is yet a crap ton of NFL teams, lead by the NY JETS, do this shit year in and year out and year in and year out they blow ass so bad that even I feel like I could do a better job.

 

What about Makai Lemon?

 

I agree…we don’t have the luxury of betting on potential this year, and probably for a couple of years still

On top of that, for whatever reason, we’ve historically had mostly shitty luck in coaching the players up to deliver on that potential.

Our coaching staff sucks this year…they showed a total inability to coach anyone up outside of our punter and kick returner.

They literally made every other player worse. Every one. To the point where too many people thought it was actually a good idea to trade away Q and Sauce, two proven defensive starts with multiple pro bowls and all pro’s.

So yeah, let’s please draft players who have actually delivered, preferably on the big stage from big boy programs

No more QBs playing one season on a weak schedule. No more workout combine stars if they didn’t actually dominate on the field. At least not with any pick in the first three rounds…you wanna gamble on potential, use a 5th round pick and have at it.

But for this team this year, Mougey needs to hit on all these high picks. You threw away two former all pro’s? Fine, but then you sure as shit better deliver on those draft picks.

Personally, I’d go Bain I think…get the DE who can ball out, and pair him with JJ a year removed from his injury, and then use McD to come in on pass rush downs and maybe Bain slides inside or keep him at DE and put McD at OLB to rush. Get creative. A bit kind of like the Giants can do with Burns, Kayvon, and Carter…I firmly believe you can never have too many pass rushers.

 

Damn skippy on that one! If you are going to have a pedestrian secondary then you better be HITTING the QB on 75% of the snaps.

 

And to think…our HC was actually a great CB, and our passing game coordinator was also a DB coach and may end up being the front runner for our new DC role…

With that kind of coaching, you’d expect our secondary to be fucking awesome…