It scares the crap out of me. Gabriel also easily beat him out last year too… Moore was on that team… Don’t get me wrong I love the kids release it’s truly impressive. I just not sure it’s enough. I like Oregon QBs a lot too. I was pounding the desk for Bo Nix as I thought he was the best QB in that draft class and in the country. However, I feel Moore between the ears just isn’t ready. If he gets to sit a year in the NFL or goes back to college (which I don’t think he will do because his draft stock is high because of the week draft class) it would answer a lot more of my questions about him. The sample size is too small. It reminds me of Mark Sanchez when he came out. I think his leadership skills are also questionable…. I think he’s boom or bust. Leaning more towards bust.
If we move up it would prob take 2 firsts and 2 seconds at least. Maybe 3 firsts and 1 second. No thanks.
He's pretty young to have any sort of "leadership skills" as that usually takes experience and time as a teacher.
Let me ask you and others this, what are these 2027 options? Manning is one, and if he has a good year, he is going #1 overall to the team that has #1 pick. No one is trading that pick (unless Manning forces them like his uncle did, and it sure as hell will not be to the Jets), they are more likely to dump whoever they have to get Manning. Beyond that who? Sayin? They are exactly the same age with Moore, and had similar season just now. Sayin is also two inches shorter, about 6-0, 6-1 at best. That is a major obstacle he will have to overcome in NFL that Moore does not. Sellers? Again same age, and if he came out now along with Moore, he is getting drafted lower. There could be other guys too, but Moore can go head to head with any of them. And he also can improve like others, maybe even more if we actually get a decent QB coach and a veteran to learn from. The point is, yes these guys could come out next year, but Moore is right there or better prospect than anyone we would be able to get next year even with all the draft capital we have, especially with our pick unlikely to be #1 next year. If Moore declares, with #3 pick and the Giants at #2, who are unlikely to draft a QB, we need to come out with him in this draft. If we get lucky, maybe we would even have #2, let's see. We have to make sure to lose and maybe Dart can upset the Cowboys, who are expected to rest Dak for most of the game. But either way, we need Moore to declare, and assuming Mendoza goes #1, get him. If he does not come out, we are kinda fucked without #1 pick.
I thought you said it is a matter of principle for good organizations not to trade up in top 10. Now I see you did not mean that, but what you mean is that good organizations do trade up into top 10, but do not give up a lot to do it. But even that is not true. Again, KC is a good organization. They gave up an extra 1st and a 3d to trade up for Mahomes. Bills gave up two 2nds. Yes, they did not trade into #2, but they also did not trade from 3. They traded from farther and the capital they paid is quite solid. 1st and 3d is good capital. You think to go from 3 to 2 it will cost much more than extra 1st and 3d? I think it will cost less. Probably even less than two 2nds. Again, yes we are going to 2, but we are at 3. But there is a bigger point. Philly and SF are by all accounts good organizations too. They paid a lot too to get Wentz and Lance. These may not have worked out like Mahomes and Allen (although Wentz played a major role in Philly winning a SB so maybe it has worked out just fine), but the point is, when good teams think there is a right guy, they will give up a lot to get him. Now, they can miss, sure. But there is no such thing where a good organization does not part with major draft capital to get the guy they want. If anything, sometimes they do it a little ahead of time, like what KC did with Mahomes. LA Rams actually might attempt this year, since they have Atlanta pick, which is relatively high, who knows. It just depends on what kind of capital, what kind of guy, etc... We don't know yet what the price will be, if any at all, and whether they think Moore is the guy at #2, if he even declares, but good organizations absolutely trade up in top 10 and spend major capital for the right guy.
Folks, I think we are getting derailed here. @Brook! asked a specific question: "So if he <Moore> enters the draft, worth it to trade up to 2 and draft him?" Assuming we are at #3, what do you guys think there will be a price to go from 3 to 2 to get him? Why are you talking about going to #1, the Raiders are not trading their pick, they are actively tanking for a #1 QB. We might get #2. What do you think it would cost to get there (to #2) from #3 if Moore declares?
Yeah good teams do not give up a bounty to move up in the top ten ala the bounty we’ll have to give up to move up to get to 2.
Not only are the Jets not a good team but they don't belong in the NFL so yea anything is on the table, sadly.
I get it, most people do not admit they are wrong even when faced with overwhelming evidence. We are about to be done with this topic, but let me ask the same thing I asked others, what is that bounty we will need to pay to get to 2 that good teams like KC, Bills, SF, and Philly do not give up?
The Bills and Chiefs did not move up to 2 or within the top 5. Hence why the point is irrelevant. The 49ers did and it was a massive mistake regardless of the fact that it worked out. So I don’t really get why you keep trying to use this as some sort of example for a positive scenario. They are a good franchise that made a horrific decision. Wentz did not start his second contract with the Eagles. They did get to a SB with a backup QB in the playoffs. What about the Redskins moving up to get RG3? Did it work out for the Bears moving up from 3 to 2 to get Trubisky (as minimal as that trade was)? Did trading up to take Darnold work for us? You are not using scenarios similar to what we’re looking at with the Jets needing to move up and planting the flag like you’re correct with that first sentence is so obnoxious.
If we end up picking 3rd and teams are stupid enough to draft and/or trade up to take QBs 1 and 2, that’s an awesome scenario. essentially the Jets get the number 1 pick in the draft as you get your pick of the single best player, whoever you want, as others overdrafted/reached for a QB above you
That's a good way to look at it. We could go Bain, Tyson, Reese, Downs, etc. Bain looks like a game wrecker for the next decade. Hopefully he's the pick.
No chance I’m moving up for Moore. There just isn’t enough there fellas. It’s Mark Sanchez 2.0 scenario. 1 good year of production and some good qualities to his game simply isn’t enough to gamble all those picks on him. You can use those picks on D and take Mateer in the second round with Dallas pick. JM will bring leadership, excitement and skill to the table. This fan base needs a kid like this who will risk it all for his teammates, his organization and love of the game. The kid broke his hand on his throwing hand in his draft year and he only missed 2 weeks. Couldn’t get him off the field. This franchise needs someone like this to turn this culture around. If other players see their quarterback will to pay the price all of a sudden that becomes contagious. Believe that because I know this from coaching high school ball. I’d much rather gamble on a flyer in the second round on a kid and stack the D. If it doesn’t work out it’s no big deal because you have 3 picks in the first round next year on either Manning or Sayin.
I’m not even sure Mateer comes out. Why wouldn’t he go back to OU next year? He has another year of eligibility left.
Obviously a ton can change between now and April. But as it stands now, using at least 3 of their top 4 picks on defenders and maybe a receiver sounds like a great idea
