The Official Fire Aaron Glenn thread is here!

It’s crazy to me that some are still defending him with nothing tangible other than two total worthless excuses of:

(1) he “deserves” another year due to the bad roster that no coach could win with, and
(2) we need continuity and we can’t just keep firing coaches

Other than those two lame excuses, I’ve seen no argument that actually points to something specific with merit. Not a one. Because there’s really nothing about this team this year that you could point to as a positive building block. Nothing.

To debunk the excuses:

(1) first off, I’d say NO ONE “deserves” anything…you have to earn it. And the point is that while most of us expected very few wins (consensus was what, somewhere around 5 wins?), we have underperformed expectations in terms of how the team has actually played, not just in terms of only 3 wins, of which 2 were miracle special teams wins. We have been totally uncompetitive in what, half our games? Our defense, with many of the same players, got worse than it was under Saleh/Ulbrect, and that was before the trades of Q and Sauce. And the poor roster is on Glenn as well…he replaced AR with Fields, and then coached Fields to his worst season ever. Players who looked better under Saleh are much much worse now with guys like Quincy and Sherwood…like them or not, they played better in Saleh’s system. Glenn’s choice of DC was a total fail. Long story short, Glenn and his staff have not elevated any player and in fact most are playing worse, and while the record sucks, the one click down shows an even worse story with the way we’ve lost, the blowouts, the total breakdowns on D, the complete lack of picks, etc. It’s not just that we have been losing, it’s HOW we have been losing.

(2) I don’t know how to counter this argument other than to say I think it’s a complete lack of logic…continuity comes when the team is successful…there is a reason why Tomlin, Harbaugh, Reid, etc. have long tenures…it’s because they win. They’ve had success. That is what breeds continuity. You can give a mediocre coach 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, doesn’t matter, he will not become a great coach. With Glenn, if we could be pointing to SOMETHING, ANYTHING to hang our hat on, I’d say ok, we only won 3 or 4 games, but man he got the defense on track, or man he got the offense on track, whatever…but you can’t. There is literally nothing to look at and say it’s a solid building block. We’re not looking for a winning season, by the way, but just some progress. That’s how fucking low the bar is. And he hasn’t even come close.

In short, we have kind of an unprecedented chance to REALLY build our team with all these picks…keeping a mediocre/terrible coach like Glenn to use them would be a waste. We already know he’s bad…why waste another year and some picks to confirm what we can already see?

This is a unique opportunity to lure a new coach here with all these picks, but if I know Woody, he will blow it…he’ll keep Glenn and then he’ll suck and will get fired midway through the year or at the end and we’ll be looking for a new guy again…but this time without all those picks in front of the new coach…

 

Come on, Johnson is oblivious to PR, public sentiment and empty seats - the proof is in the decision made to increase ticket prices going forward from this season's abject failure.

 

Think about this, we need new infrastructure on offense for the QB, the most important part, we just fired a DC and hence need new infrastructure on defense, but we are keeping the Head Coach. This is simply ridiculous.

Also, @mezzavo I believe brought this up before that prospects don't want to go to the Jets, and now this has actually been corroborated by Connor Rodgers, who discussed with Jake Asman of ESPN. Think about this, we are bring in lame duck coach, who will have difficult time getting other coaches and players, agents confirmed by Connor Rodgers don't want their players going there, and we need to change infrastructure on both offense and defense. After historically bad year.

To keep Glenn at this point would be insane, it really would. Certainly if you want the team to succeed.

28:55 is the agent bit

 

I saw this earlier from Conner, it's no surprise players don't want to come here but agents saying draft picks want to avoid us, Jesus.

 

Another reason to make a change.

Also, his answer to the question about his brand of football. The fact that we played Glenn's brand of football in the second half of a blowout against Jacksonville is all that anyone needs to know. Unreal.

 

People thought I was off my boat anchor but I don't float ridiculous theories unless I have some kind of insight. No, I don't know the specific people Connor was talking about but I "tried" to relay a conversation I had with someone with a top QB recruit in high school. NO ONE wants to come to the Jets. Not willingly if they can help it. You get drafted, it is what it is, but if you have an avenue that takes you OUT of the draft or, at the very least, out of the reach of the Jets they are doing it, if they can. If they are talking about it at the high school level you know they are talking about it in college, which has now been proven.

Which is worse, staying in school for a "mere" $3million and the potential to get drafted by a team where you'll have a long career or forego the $3 million to come to the Jets and be next to guaranteed to have your career either stunted or ruined? Folks talk about the money, once in the pro's, but there is short term money and long term money. The Jets are short term money. Sad but true.

 

Is it possible that AG is just a really good actor? Like all of this is so incompetent on purpose, to truly tank to end this thing? I'm trying so hard, man. It's hard to rationalize in a multitude of ways. I was a HUGE AG supporter heading into this year. I think I was very wrong. The only reason I have any real hope, is hoping that this is all on purpose.

Playing Brady Cook..
Trading important pieces that give us a ton of draft capital and severely hurt this years team at the same time. Which betters our draft position.
Duped a Colts team that literally lost every game after trading.
Getting absolutely gutted, in historic fashion, the last 4 games.
Scapegoat fire in Wilks.
Management issues gaaaaalore.
Blame the players effort, then intentionally back track the following day. Reverse psychology BAY BAY.. Now the players might feel like.. you wanna see lack of effort? I'll show you lack of effort. Kind of mindset.
Furthers the tank strategy.
Speaking of which.. We are sitting Hall, still playing Cook, probably wont play other starters that are "hurt" right now. Max says hi...
Great draft position. Great assets. Ton of Cap.

Is Glenn playing chess while we are all playing checkers? Is that it?

Not likely, Its far more likely. I'm just delusional, and trying really, really, really hard to cope at this point.

The other thing that scares me. If this perceived pressure right now is real. What's to stop this current GM/HC combo, with that pressure, to just blow their entire load next offseason. With a one year, this is all the time we have now to keep our jobs.

That's scary. Very scary. Especially if AG really is as incompetent as he appears to be so far.

Don't worry though. Just keep holding on to that rope. It's all gonna be fine.

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They are tanking now, there's no question about that. They weren't, though, at the beginning of the season, so any idea that this has been the plan all along is just revisionist history. We are where we are right now because of a historic level of incompetence that led to the 0-7 start, which caused them to panic and begin selling off assets for draft picks. If the Jets were trying to win this game on Sunday, either Taylor or Hooker would be starting the game.

 

Problem is, NBA draft lottery is not really working either. Teams are still tanking.

 

the lottery will be introduced the same year as the Jets "earn" the #1 pick and there is a generational QB talent coming out - only for the Jets to enter the lottery and end up picking second.

 

I hate the idea of a draft lottery personally…I don’t think it eliminates tanking as I think the lottery is weighted anyway…more ping pong balls for worse records, so while it maybe eliminates the guarantee of the top pick, I think it’s still better to have a worse record for better odds. Not only that, but it would suck to be the worst team and end up with like the 5th pick from a lottery that may be rigged anyway…unless you watch them put the ping pong balls in a glass bowl and pick them right then and there live (and not recorded where they can run the process 18 times until they get the team they want)…I’m not buying it.

I don’t know, I just think a lottery is a shit idea and I will never get behind it. If you truly want parity, the system is set up to promote it as is with the draft and the salary cap. After that, it’s up to the skill of the GM and front office to assemble the best team and the HC to coach it.

Just shows exactly how incompetent teams with bad owners are…talking about the Jets, Browns, Raiders…these teams have been reaping the benefits of the system for decades now and have continued to suck despite the advantages…complete incompetence.

 

If they are tanking then why are they going for fake punts twice? The tank is clearly good for us overall, but make no mistake Aaron Glenn is trying to win games.

 

People were saying we were tanking even before Brady Cook experiment though. And to be fair, a lot of us give Cook a shot to see what he can do. So, this latest tanking with Cook is only a couple of games.

A much more likely explanation is that our coaching is so bad, we look like we are tanking. Last couple of games after we know Cook stinks, sure, but we looked like a tank since October. And that's really all you need to know when it comes to this coaching staff.