Look it up yourself, I don't care to educate you to that level. I'm being schooled not watching the all 22 of Justin fields but how I need to post Fields passing yards. Classic.
Thank you for proving my entire point, without numbers they are hollow words. You post words, not our responsibility to look up the stats to back up your arguments. Also if you don't watch film or evaluate these players to that extent and others do it may behoove you to take their opinions over your own instead of saying silly things like "classic"
they aren't even watching the all 22 of Justin Fields... they are watching a podcaster talk about the all 22 of Justin Fields
Let's just hope the Giants pull off the miracle and beat Dallas this weekend. Would love to not have to trade up to take Mendoza or Moore.
I think your point is more correct than not in that the odds are against Glenn becoming a good HC. However, there are a few examples of this: Kyle Shanahan went 6-10 his first season in SF and followed that up with 4-12 in 2018. Andy Reid went 5-11 his first year in Philly and then won 11-13 games each of the next 5 years. Dan Campbell went 3-13-1 his first season in Detroit (also went 5-7 back in 2015 as the Interim in Miami). Bill "Satan" Belichick went 6-10 his first year in Cleveland and had losing seasons in 5 of his first 6 years as a HC (1991-1993, 1995, and 2000). Probably not the best example because he and the Bengals have fizzled out these last few years but Zac Taylor went 2-14 and then 4-11-1 in his first 2 years in Cincy and then made it to the SB in 2021. Tony Dungy went 6-10 his first year in Tampa and then never had another losing season again as a HC. Bill Parcells went 3-12-1 his first year with the Giants. Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first year in Dallas. If you want to go deeper into the history of the NFL, guys like Chuck Noll (1-13), Bill Walsh (2-14), and Tom Landry (0-11-1), all had losing records their first year as a HC. Again, I do think it's much more likely that Glenn is not an exception to the rule like the names listed above but it's certainly at least plausible that he could be. At the very least, it seems as though he and Mougey have a plan (hence the Sauce and Quinnen trades mid-season) so, right or wrong, I think they'll get another year or two to see that through.
Where you been dude? You decided to miss the entire 3-14 pile of garbage without us? I know it’s possible. But there’s not a lot of recent examples of it working out. Shanahan is an interesting case study though. They were 1-10 until Garroppolo came back and then went 5-0 thereafter. They scored almost 29 points/game in those games. That’s an awesome sign. 2/3 of our only two wins are because of like 4 total special teams touchdowns across those couple games. The defense has gotten worse. There’s no positive improvement from this team.
This is me lol, I watch several different podcasters break it down in order to develop a well rounded opinion but yes I let them break it down for me since I'm no expert. Some of the other posters on here though do actually watch the all 22 and have given some detailed thoughts about the current situation on a weekly basis which I appreciate and will hold their opinion to a different standard because they put the work in. You nailed me though lol, but hey at least I do watch something even if it's just hours of podcasters it's better than generating an opinion from just casual observance.
Can’t use the trades as an excuse They made the trades, they weren’t forced upon Glenn…he was part of the decision Just like I refuse to give Glenn a pass for poor QB play when he fucking chose the QB and replaced a much better QB with Fields. All of that rests at Glenn’s feet, so no, I don’t give a pass for either case But regardless, the defense sucked before the trades anyway. We all saw it. To me, we can dive deep and review film, and break down every single game, etc etc. But sometimes, I think you just have to lift up your head, get your nose out of the weeds, and just watch the games. Like a fan. Do you see quality play and quality coaching? If so, where? The ONLY place I see quality play is in our special teams, specifically the return schemes. Seems like Banjo is a pretty damn good ST coordinator. But I can’t say that about any other coach or unit. Our defense sucks (and we have a former DC!!!), our offense sucks, our players do not look like they are playing hard, or to the best of their abilities. The in game mgmt decisions have been bad to terrible WAY too often, the clock mgmt decisions have been baffling at times. So while the record is terrible, and we can see some other coaches who started with poor records also, if you look one layer deeper you can see that there are quite a few red flags here. The team is getting worse not better. Two of the wins are kind of freak wins, and while they count just the same, you can’t deny that it’s not often that you’ll get two return TDs to win a game like we did against the Browns. So you can kind of look at two of our wins and discount them a bit if you wanted to. They are not sustainable signs of building what we need to win. We have set some NFL records for futility…not just Jets records…NFL records. That’s a problem. We are non-competitive…don’t know offhand exactly how many, but if sure feels like we’ve been taken out of games in the first or second quarter way too many times. We were essentially taken out of the season in fucking September after going 0-3…normally that wouldn’t necessarily be season ending but with the way were playing then, especially on offense and specifically at QB, I think most of us already felt the season was over in terms of playoff contention. I know I sure did. I don’t know if any other Jets coach ever started 0-7 (can’t remember Kotite’s one win year), but regardless, it’s an historically bad start. So really, outside of the bullshit Continuity argument (which I think is total bullshit…continuity won’t make a bad coach good, it’ll just keep resulting in bad seasons), I’m having a hard time seeing an argument in defense of Glenn. And even including the continuity bullshit (he deserves another year, you can’t keep changing coaches, etc.), I see no valid defense of Glenn. He doesn’t deserve another year…not when there is literally nothing to point to that we can say ok, we can build on that. I’ve read through pages and pages and still have not seen a valid argument…I’ve seen the continuity he deserves another year bullshit, and I’ve seen one where our penalties improved from like bottom five to like 20th or bottom third in the league…those are the only ones I can recall seeing, and I don’t think either is even remotely valid.
Oh, I've still been watching this garbage team every week so even though I haven't been on here I've been with you all in spirit, but having a 10 month old at home has kept me pretty busy and taken up most of my free time. Again, I generally agree with you in that it's definitely much more likely that Glenn doesn't become a good HC based on this year but just wanted to provide some recent to semi-recent examples of good-great HCs starting poorly and either winning SBs or making it to SBs at least (Zac Taylor). I do think this season could've been a little different had they stuck with Fields and/or Tyrod. Probably not by much but maybe we're looking at maybe 5 wins instead of 3 but they went full tank which I don't blame them for. Honestly, I wish they had gone full tank after the 0-7 start and then we'd probably be in line for the 1st pick instead of 2nd or 3rd. I also agree with most of your final points. We lose the Browns game and the Falcons game without our ST units but they're a part of the team, so we can't just dismiss them, and Glenn is who hired Banjo so he does deserve some credit there. The defense has gotten worse but isn't that to be expected with losing 2 All-Pro caliber guys mid-season? The only positive improvement I can think of is that Breece finally eclipsed 1K rushing so would also generally agree with you there. However, all of these things should be expected when a team goes full-tank.
By podcaster you mean Kurt Warner? JT O'Sullivan? You know former NFL QBs? And it is video, you can actually see the plays too. Or you can ignore the actual video, and dismiss former NFL players who give some insight as "podcasters." Do you really believe Fields did not play worse this year than say last?
You can’t dismiss the two ST related wins, but you can acknowledge that they were kind of freak occurrences that can’t be expected to be a sustainable path to winning games overall…you can’t game plan winning games by getting kick and punt return TDs….yes they count just the same, but in evaluating the coaching performance this year, those two wins carry an asterisk at least…
at least the other guy owned it. Yes they are breaking down the film on their podcasts. People who do that are called "podcasters." I already said, and I'll say it again, fuck Justin Fields for giving up on the season. I dont think highly of his play this season at all, so idk why you are baiting for an argument I'm not making.
Yeah and all the comparing records to other good coaches who started poorly and turned out good kind of misses the point too because the argument against Glenn isn't just that our record has been bad, it's how much worse we've been than our record even indicates. This is the worst Jets team since the 1970s in strength of scheduled-adjusted point differential. Think of how many bad seasons we've had since the 70s. Think about how bad this has been to eclipse all of them. Good coaches do not have seasons like this one.
