People can get better at their jobs, guys. It’s not impossible. Dan Campbell and Zac Taylor didn’t exactly have great start to their careers. They’ve both been to conference championships and a SB for Taylor.
For me Saleh is the example. But I thought the same about Dan Campbell and he surprised me. This is not Saleh thread so I will be short. But I was not impressed with his in game adjustments. And he couldn't solve late season collapses either. Didn't strike me as a good X's and O's coach. Water under the bridge.
Facts you like = facts Facts you don't like = "facts" Defending Glenn means I'm responding with actual things that have happened in real life. What have I said that's predictive or assumptions or not based in something that's happened on the field? All I'm doing is talking about what we are seeing. AKA, facts. Here are facts: -we've gone from THE most penalized team to 16th... middle of the road -we've wanted accountability forever... Isaiah Williams had one bad game, was cut, signed to the PS, worked back in, now is one of the best PR in the league. Quincy benched, Adams benched, etc. -regardless of whether or not you like it, the numbers show Glenn is making the right decisions on 4th down (and Im aware context is needed on all 4th down decisions) -regardless of who the opponent is, we're 3-2 in our last 5. You play who is on the schedule. And if we're as much of a trainwreck as everyone says, we'd have lost -Glenn and Mougs work hand in hand, the talent they've brought in is working out, the huge trades they decided on netted us tons of future draft capital What there is made up or not based on fact? I'll listen, but you gotta understand why it's hard when the first time I presented a stat it was "well I dont care I have my own opinion". And I promise you if you go search my posts you'll find plenty of criticism of Glenn. But I can make it easy for you and summarize it... I thought his in-game decision making was straight up baffling the first month or so of the season. The Broncos halftime debacle is one of the most boneheaded things I've ever seen a coach do and that's a very high bar as a Jets fan. I thought he handled Fields completely wrong and it absolutely cost us at least 1 game (Denver, probably also Carolina). I think there's a massive decision looming when it comes to the DC spot... if he keeps Wilks around that's a huge problem and a red flag. It is 100% possible to be encouraged by what's happening (known as "facts") and also have your doubts. I swear to you.
Won't argue on Saleh as a head coach. Dreadful big picture guy and that's why he failed. But I do think he's a very good DC. Can't be a good coordinator without knowing your Xs and Os.
You guys have been at each other for a while now and it just seems to me, trying to keep the peace here, that it is FAR too early to make a determination about Glenn either way. I can't even say, "fact of the matter is, even if we had Shanahan/McVay/Johnson/whomever" that it would look any better. It's taken the NY Jets 15 years to get this bad and a LOT of that has to do with the ownership. This is year 1 with a trash roster. Yeah, I say stuff in the heat of a loss or the team playing poorly, just like everyone else. However, after the games are over, I calm down, sit back and take a look. Realistically, the ONLY barometer I/we have to go on is how hard these kids play for Glenn. That's a tough hill to climb and it looks like Glenn is on the other side of that one. To have a record like that yet the kids are playing their asses off is a HUGE testament as to Glenn's ability to lead the team. Let's face it, that is Head Coach 101. Regardless of where he falls on the X's and O's spectrum, if you can't lead your men then you are a dead stick. It's where the term, "he's lost the team" comes from. No amount of talent or fortuitous events will ever make up for a coach who's "lost his team." Glenn has shown improvement in the other aspects of head coaching over the course of the season so it behooves us, the fans, to get behind him. At least until he's been given a real chance which equates to 2 or 3 years as the top guy to make his mark. And that has nothing to do with Glenn the man but the Head Coaching position of the Jets because it applies to anyone who is going to sit in the chair. IMO, it's one of the MAIN reasons this team does so poorly over time. Obviously, the ownership not withstanding, but the fans. My goodness...look up "fickle" in the dictionary and you should see Fireman Ed as the picture and NY Jets fans as the quintessential example. It is one of THE main reasons you see floated that young head coaches should get a start in the small markets if for nothing the fan bases aren't nearly as rabid, fickle and flip/floppy as some of the major market teams like the Jets, Giants, Bears and a few others. Ironically, Los Angels is not one of those...strange. I know...I'm rambling but, in summation, sit back, give Glenn/Moogs a chance and we'll see what we'll see. If one side of the scale is right, Glenn will be gone in a couple years and we will be in no different a position as we've been in the last 15 years. If the other side is right, Glenn will grow into the position, Moogs will find a QB and the team can start winning and the fans, at least the ones that do not live to complain, will start to be happy again. However, make no mistake about it, the fans DO play a role. This constant never ending ridiculously massive wave of negative energy and bellyaching that permeates the fanbase of the Jets needs to get out of their own way. This team will NEVER be shit one year and then shit stompers ONE year later. I'm CONVINCED of that! There is no magic fix coming to this team for a myriad of reasons, least of which is the fact we can't attract that "type" of head coach BECAUSE of ALL the aforementioned obstacles. These top guys want to come to a place that has some semblance of an environment that will pan out where they aren't putting their professional lives in jeopardy by just walking through the door. Unfortunately, whether some want to accept the reality of it or not, this organization does not have a very favorable reputation. Organization, history, fans...pick your poison. For the players or coaches. We often joke it's where offensive players come do die and coaches of any stripe come as a last resort, they are trying to resurrect their careers in a last ditch attempt or they are just starting out and will take anything thrown their way. It's not a joke, it's reality and something has to give. CLEARLY it's not going to be ownership. Not unless the Johnson family finds their names in the Epstein files somehow or some other nasty legal situation. So, at least in my mind, I have to switch how I support the team. Be less negative, bitch on game day after a loss and move on. Not sure what it is... However, I'm going to start by trying to be realistic in the chance I give Glenn and not be calling for his ass on the block after one season of trying to turn around a franchise that has been dog shit for the entire lifetime of children under the age of 16! Just sayin'...
What is it that causes you to repeatedly, randomly blame the fans for anything that goes on with this team? Of course whenever you are questioned specifically about how the fans can have an affect on the W - L record you admit they cannot. Fickle is used to describe actions related to change - guess what? The fate of any team is constantly changing but not because of any action the fans take. These are not little kids playing a game who deserve to be supported at all costs; the reality is that the players and coaches are highly paid professionals and the fans are the root of their income. Who deserves to voice their opinion more about the operation of this entertainment business than those who fund it? It "behooves us" most to honestly keep letting the owners and workers in the business about what we think of the product they are serving us. When you keep going to the same restaurant where the food makes you sick does it behoove you to heap praise upon them in hopes that it will make the food at least edible? I don't think so.
I didn't blame the fans but they DO play a role. What part of the NFL don't you get wouldn't exist if there were no fans? It's ALL ABOUT THE FANS! No fans, no professional sport. How is it that folks, like you, seem to ignore that basic unmitigated fact? No fans, no television contract. No fans, no Super Bowl. To ignore this is basically the bottom line tenant as to what is WRONG with this team in THAT market. What, you think the NY Jets would be this shitty, year over year over year if the team was playing out of Sioux Falls? PRESSURE!!! Pressure is a REAL thing. The PRESSURE that is put upon the organization, by the fans, to get to X. If you don't think all that airplane flying banners and advertising, done by fans, a bunch a years back didn't impact the firing of management of the Jets then I'm not sure what more I can say. In my wildly random post the basic summation was thus: How about we the fans help change the energy around that team to see if maybe it has an impact? Do you think a 21 year old kid gives a shit if you, me, we have been hurting for a winning team for 15 years? I can assure you the answer to that little question is a resounding, HELL no. Most weren't out of their Garanimals the last time this team was relevant. So, if you don't think the negativity that permeates the fan base makes it way into the team then, again, I'm not sure what more I can say. Just because you, me, we say they are professionals and all that $$ should just magically turn off the fact they are human doesn't make it so. How about you and I agree to disagree. All I can tell you, from playing the game myself, is the energy of the fans ABSOLUTELY impacts the team on and off the field. I find it interesting that you needed to take the time to tell me the fans have, basically, nothing to do with how the team performs right down to their "right" to voice their opinions. Yeah, every fan has an opinion and every fan has the right to voice it. Ever stopped to give it a thought that our over the top opinion is a part of the problem and will ultimately be a part of the solution? Believe it or not, it's going to take a TEAM effort to right this ship and the FANS are a PART of the TEAM... Eviscerate me or not, I'll leave it at that. It's my OPINION. You have yours and I have mine.
Well look, I’m glad to see the team playing better, but you can’t just deny that we’ve done this against the Browns, Bengals without Burrow, and the Falcons with an old washed up Cousins. The one game in the last month we played against a good team was a loss to the Pats. I think the level of competition has as much, and probably more, to do with the recent improvements than any real change in coaching has brought on.
I think this is a pretty reasonable take…Glenn and the team was horrendous with an 0-7 start…no two ways about it…I said it then and still believe it now…I knew we were a bad team but I don’t think we were 0-7 bad. I think Glenn sucked early, including the penalties, the player choices (and I am not letting him off the hook for choosing Fields…I get the thinking of a Hail Mary, but for fucks sake, I think it was pretty fucking clear to anyone watching him play that Fields is not an NFL QB…if I could see it from my couch, I’d love to have a head coach who could see it too…that is on AG full on and I won’t give him a pass on it…loved the strategy - the idea - but hated the execution - the player choice), and yeah he made plenty of bonehead in game mgmt decisions that again should have been better handled by an NFL head coach, and also the one hire that I thought back then was a good one in Wilks (experienced DC with HC experience) has turned out to be not very good at all. That being said, it is good to see improvement…I do agree that the players seem to be playing hard still despite the record, which is good, I do see the improvement in fewer penalties, which is also good, and hopefully the in game decisions improve as well. So far I’m more optimistic with Mougey than with Glenn as the player acquisitions, even Stephens who sucked balls for the first 2 or 3 games, is playing much better. I get part of the player acquisitions playing better is a credit to Glenn so there is that. Look, I didn’t like the hire from Day 1 because he’s essentially the same guy we’ve hired for like 6 or 7 in a row outside of Gase…and none of the other first time DC coaches have worked out for us and a few constants run through the years…bad offenses, full on inability to find and develop a QB, inept drafting, etc. Not all are due to the DC’s masquerading as HCs, but a lot of it is. So I came in biased, and what I saw the first half of the season did nothing but justify my opinion. Is there some improvement lately? Sure. I think a lot of that is due to the shit teams we’ve beaten, but we’ll see how it goes from here. If we steal a few more wins and can manage to beat a quality opponent that will impact my evaluation of Glenn I guess, so there is still time for him to validate his hiring…
You can claim that fans are a part of the team that causes WINS and LOSSES - just show us how. Be specific. Be direct. Be consistent - you can't say they count at the same time you're saying the players don't care about the fans as the bolded shows.
Yeah . . . I think so . . . things are starting to feel a little different. I just wonder how many more angry faces I'm gonna have on my fridge tally. I'm taking bets.
I’m with Brook on this. A couple of rah rah clips doesn’t move the needle at all for me in the face of all the demonstrably questionable decisions we’ve seen this season. Jets have beaten a couple of really bad teams starting back up QBs. I hope I’m wrong and I want the guy to succeed but I’m holding off on the coronation. That video doesn’t demonstrate a good coach. Wait and see.
