fair point the stakes are high. We just have the worst QB in the whole league so its in need of an upgrade, regardless of who is here to acquire one
It is rage… I wouldn’t care as much if the Jets weren’t simply one of the worst teams to ever try and develop a quarterback (as in never) and there weren’t soooooooo many holes for those 1st round picks to fill. We MUST have a CB, WR x 2, DL & LB. That all must come from those 1st/2nd round picks. I do not count anything lower than the second round simply because this team has also not been very good, historically, when it comes to anything below round three. At this stage of my life and at this point in the game, I have no intention of giving Moogs the benefit of the doubt. I’m in pure Show Me mode…
Other than QBs and 2nd round receivers, we have done OK with our high draft picks. The problem is that well run organizations will find guys who contribute consistently in the lower rounds. Until we join that club we will continue to suck.
Browns, the Raiders still lurking, and the Saints are a possibility, plus someone trading up. It would be great if we got some break and Moore declared. Then with 3 QBs there (Simpson, Mendoza, and Moore), perhaps Mendoza or Moore ends up with us straight up. Now, I know Moore is unlikely to declare, but maybe if he know he is top 5, it would help.
I really hope beating the Browns doesn't come back to bite us but it's looking more and more likely it will.
We have to bring in two new QB’s next year. I don’t see how Tyrod or Fields are back. So that means we’re drafting one and signing one. The investment is both is the question. Free agency is pretty slim although the trade market is always a bit more wild than advertised. If we go after someone like Murray I’d imagine the QB drafted is relatively minimal ala a fourth or fifth rounder. If we end up with like a Kenny Pickett or something I’d guess we’re shooting for a first round QB.
It was the big W that did us. So, as fans, we are going to suffer a shite arsed season, yet again, with just enough wins to make it difficult in the draft. Same old Jets
I am putting together a 2026 plan. It's difficult right now seeing as the season is still in play with no clear idea as to who will shake out after the season is done. My guess is there will be a number of options for the Jets once the season is over. Let me start with the following and I'll edit in the future. BTW, this is all predicated on, unfortunately, AG coming back for a 2nd year. Identify a veteran Let's be frank here. This organization has been full on SHIT when it comes to developing young quarterbacks. When they do have a potential talent, that man has been allowed to walk out the building or thrown away. As far as I can tell, there is no one on the current coaching staff I would trust with a newly drafted QB as far as I can throw them. Why in the hell would we draft a guy like Mendoza with NO ONE to actually TEACH him how to be an NFL QB? Which leads me to... Veterans to look at: Jameis Winston, Stetson Bennett, Jacoby Brissett, Marcus Mariota to name a few. We only need a 1 - 2 year vet as a stop gap. You know, an honest to goodness NFL QB, not a RB trying to play QB like Fields (I've been reading a lot of tea leaves and if Miami continues to do this jekyll and hyde thing I wonder how long Tua is there. I've heard grumblings but his contract is very prohibitive, not to mention his medical history but it's a thought) I digress... Start talking to QB Whisperers. Brian Daboll is now on the street. I wouldn't think it a bridge too far to bring him in. He did a wonderful job with Josh Allen, he knows the AFCE and he'll be looking to start working his way back to NFL respectability and another HC gig. To be quite frank, I'd throw Engstrand on the unemployment line if I could convince Daboll to come in. In fact, if I'm Moog, I've already laid that groundwork. AND he wouldn't have to move! Target a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. That kid you showed me earlier in the month is intriguing. Actually, there are a number of interesting QB's that are going to be around in the 3rd that strike me as a whole hell of a lot more ready to play NFL QB than does Fields. Begin to rebuild this team with all that loot they got for throwing away Q and Sauce. Look, I get it. No QB, no championship. Hell, no playoffs, no even being competitive. However, I simply do not see that kid in this draft. ESPECIALLY considering we're the Jets! See bullet #1 above. However, it doesn't matter WHO this team drafts at the QB position, if you do not have an NFL caliber receiving corps it's all moot. G. Wilson has the hands of a #1 but the body of a guy that isn't going to last another 5 years. He's simply not built like a #1 to take the beating. It looks like they have the TE we've always wanted but it's hard to tell with a fool like Fields tossing him the rock. Do not blow all those 1st round resources on a kid that is absolutely going to HAVE to HAVE some form of development to be serviceable, let alone successful in the NFL. Do YOU think we have anyone on staff to work with a guy like Mendoza? They DID throw away a top flight CB and DL. They both have to be replaced. It's pretty obvious that, while they weren't necessarily THE problem they weren't the whole solution either. Well, now we have neither. You don't replace top flight first round guys with throw aways and low rent draft picks. That defensive production is going to come at the top of the draft. It's a start and it will evolve. But, let me be clear, I'm done with drafting "could be's" at the QB position with NO support system in place to develop them. As this team sits, drafting Mendoza would basically be like throwing a pick on the trash heap. We already KNOW he's going to need to develop, which, of course, never seems to happen because everyone in NY is impatient and there's never a plan or the proper coaching in place to take on that task. The team STILL has an unknown in Engstrand and, let's face it, Fields fucked his rookie season to the point where we don't even know if he is any good. If we can't even count on the guy to be a decent OC, how in the flying ass are we to expect him to have the ability to develop a guy like Mendoza? He's still learning how to develop a god damn game plan! Sorry for the rant now and earlier. I'm still dealing with this team being out of any form of discussion for being COMPETITIVE let alone talk of playoffs etc. When I see teams like NE, fucking Carolina to name a few that seem to have been able to turn it around or, at the very least, become competitive it pisses me off. GREATLY! And, after 15 years of pure incomparable SHIT, I not only have reached the end of my "positive rope," but am all out of any glass half-fulls as well. I want to ENJOY football again! I want to be able to tune into the team I've supported for years and expect to, at the very least, see a team that doesn't look like it's been an expansion team starting new, each and every year, for the last 20 years! Is it really too much to ask?
Fair enough and thank you for the thoughtful response. I think the QB developer, guru, etc. stuff is way overrated. Did Daboll really do anything to make Josh Allen great? He’s on his 3rd offensive coordinator and he’s been great under all of them. No amount of coaching can account for what he did yesterday. Question on this though - if you don’t feel like we have the person or persons in place to help a top tier prospect (at least for this years class) like Mendoza, what makes you think they’ll help elevate a lesser 3rd or 4th round prospect? We need a good infrastructure in place, but honestly we have it. We have one of the better offensive lines in the league and the two most important pieces are 23 and 21 years old. We have a really good receiver who plays his ass off. We have what looks to be a good tightend. And tons of assets to keep adding to that core in FA and the draft. I think Engstrand has proven enough to me to be able to put the QB into the right position to make throws to open receivers. Jameis and Brissett are both under contract with teams I don’t see having any reason to move them. I’d bet Mariota goes back to Washington so the pickings are slim at vet free agent QB.
I’ll preface this to say that while I’m not religious myself, I am also not a person that has a problem when people are overly religious. A lot of folks like that have a lot of peace in their life and I’m glad it helps. However, I don’t know how that preachy stuff plays in a NFL locker room. Wentz & Ertz isolated themselves in that Eagles locker room to the point where players reportedly didn’t like them. Mendoza is very preachy about religion, talks about praying a lot, going to bible study and aside from religion is a very goofy kid. I’m not sure he’s a leader of men. The leader of men in Indiana is Curt Cignetti.
I'm with you on this one, too. Personally, I have no time for religion and do not like the preachy types, at all. However, if it works for others, great! Just don't want it thrown in my face. The world we live in now, people who do much of this preaching are bound to alienate more than they'll "bring them in."
I don’t have a problem with preachy types. But I don’t think that rolls well in NFL locker rooms even though NFL players are all mostly pretty religious themselves.
Let me quantify what I mean by develop. Watching film. Learn how to spot tendencies and then work towards exploiting them. Learning how to understand each position group and how they tie into the total offense. I've listened to a LOT of different former QB's talk about these intangibles and how important they are. It's extremely rare to have a guy come from college knowing how to do all that. It's usually someone teaching them. These QB's come in from college and they've dominated the lesser talented players. THAT is why a guy like Fields gets drafted in the 1st round. Fields is about as good an example of production at college not translating to the NFL as I can give someone. It's "why" I want nothing to do with a guy like Mendoza. And Mendoza isn't even dominating the college ranks like Fields did. Also, you're right. We have no way of really knowing if Engstrand has that ability and I shouldn't discount until it proves out. My point concerning 3rd and 4th round talent is, A) we might get lucky and B) we didn't blow a 1st round resource on him.
Personal story. About 5 years ago when I still was still in support I was helping someone who loved Jesus. At the end of the call he asked if he could prey for me and my family. Not sure how to respond I said "nah you're good!" There was an awkward silence until the call ended.
A few things to consider. When the time draws near, he might not be the clear consensus top prospect many here believe. Second, I’m not at all convinced the Jets are targeting him as hard as people want to believe. Finally, not buying into the hype that he might be gone by the time we pick, not to mention we might end up with the first pick. All I can say is, too early to narrow anything down, but if they want to go QB early, they better get help for the front office to evaluate all options. We have never gotten it right.
As you would expect, there is no correlation whatsoever between religion, being a devoted soul, and being a good QB. If it was, Tebo and JF would be superbowl winners by now.
When people start concerning themselves with leader of men stuff that’s where they go wrong with evaluation
