I am not sure Purdy is a good QB who would succeed here. Shanahan makes a somewhat decent QB look very good. Look at Mac Jones who was one of the worst starters last year. Ratings this year are identical to Purdy last year and they are winning. Jimmy looked good there too. We are looking at Dak and maybe Hurts (if we could develop him) as the only non 1st round pick to become good QBs. And so many failures, way way more than 1st round. We need to see who declares this year. We may have 2 guys who are 1st round talents: Martinez and Simpson. Guys like Moore and Sellers are more likely to go back to school. Depending on the pick, we may or may not have a shot at top QB talent. I hope we get one, but if not I do not want to waste assets in other rounds to get a QB. Look at the list (we can add Jordan Travis there too as a wasted pick): it's clear we need a top talent at QB and even that is a long shot. If for whatever reason we are not able to secure top QB in this draft (say Browns and Raiders are ahead of us and pick both and we cannot trade ahead of them) we will need to draft someone in 2027 1st round. Heck, we might draft one in 2026, see him suck, Josh Rosen him and pick another in the 1st round of 2027. But I would only focus on 1st round QB talents for the Jets.
Are either of these two really 1st round QB's or are they, yet again, another in a long line of years where neither of these two would sniff the 1st round if they weren't the best of a mediocre to bad crop? I simply hate blowing a 1st round pick on a guy like this. I do agree, though, they need to take a QB this year AND 2027 whatever that looks like. I wish I could say they won't but I would bet a $100 that they DO draft one of these supposed 1st round QB's and then pass on a QB in 2027. They simply are not going to burn two year's of 1st round picks on a QB. It's almost comical we think they would do anything but what they should. Of course, anything is possible.
We could make the POs faster with a Vet, but the ultimate prize is elusive. It worked for the Rams (Stafford) and Bucs (Brady), but even that was one and done. But it seems half the NFL has gone this rout, bringing in a vet, vs drafting their own. Sam, Geno, Baker.... In the end, YES, we need a top QB. But, that alone is not enough (see Bills/Ravens/Bengals/Bolts). Also need a really good Defense, Oline, and Weapons. Which needs cap space, good drafting/trading, and a QB on a 4 yr rookie contract.
Not the most popular option as we are knee deep in the “need it right now” era, but if they don’t think these guys (Simpson, Mendoza, Moore) are worthy of that first pick we have, you don’t force it. Team has a bunch of holes and we can really strengthen some key positions (WR2, DT, S, CB, C) with four picks in the first 64. Grab a veteran for 2026, and then you go crazy in 2027 where the QB class looks much better.
winning a SB is basically winning the lottery but to have a ticket you need to get into the playoffs in the first place and while they cant do it entirely on their own having a top QB basically guarantees you a ticket every year if everything else is reasonably good. - Ravens have made the playoffs every year since Jackson got there (apart from 2021 when they collapsed late in the year (when Jackson was injured)) - Bills have made the playoffs every year since Allen got there after his rookie season (having made the playoffs exactly once from 2000-2018) - Bengals made playoffs in Burrows first two years - failed in 2023 when Burrows got injured and in 2024 they have the best offense but the rest of the team let them down - Chargers started to make the playoffs after Herberts first two years and then failed to make them in 2023 because Herbert got injured
Same way the worst possible outcome always seems to happens in a situation setting that is is going to literally have 32 different potential outcomes. They come *here*. Lots of your "can't throw the ball" takes on Fields have been too over the top, and especially in a way that tends to gloss right on past that above reality dragging whatever potential could have been there down. Justin Fields is capable of better play then we've seen out of him here. We've seen it elsewhere in less shitty surrounding setups. We've seen a WR play at a clearly higher level with Fields as his QB then anything we've seen out of Garrett Wilson as a pro, and who's a fan favorite player here you tend to glaze pretty hard in the opposite direction. Fields may not be the answer here, and at this point he's probably not going to amount to much more then a backup QB in the NFL. But this needs to stop getting lost in a lot of current takes - Justin Fields is not the most damning variable in this current where we stand equation by a long shot. The fact he's been *THIS* bad is a much much bigger and concerning indictment imo on the current offensive future plan in place. Which in turn would/should beg the question on how much sense it makes for this FO to be spending a premium pick at QB. The Jets could very well be further from being able to provide a sensible setting to draft a young QB into then we've ever been before. And that's saying something for this franchise. Barring a convincing turn around ROS I'd rather sign a vet QB this winter.
This is not an unreasonable concern. Like at the end of 2023 Woody thought Zach was the only problem. That was not true. Zach was the problem, but so were the coaches. If Woody's dumb ass would have realized that, we would have had Vrabel as HC right now. Two things could be true at the same time. We need to rule out (or rule in, so we know if relevant coaches need to be replaced) that the coaching is an issue as well, Which is why we need to play Tyrod, to rule out Fields variable. As of right now I cannot rule out that there are more serious problems in addition to Fields. Tyrod has always been a solid player, held back by injuries, But when healthy, he is good enough to evaluate the coaching and the rest of the offense. Recall when MILF had other QBs aside from Zach, who were worse than Tyrod, the offense looked decent. Well, until barely playable OL JD put together got a few injuries, and with no depth, completely fell apart. But the point is: Tanner needs to show something similar. The all 22 film I watched is inconclusive as far as offensive CS. There is both good and bad. We have a small 1.5 game sample without Fields until now, and the product was not much better. Yes, Tyrod did have a couple of shots he should have put away, but the offense needs to be better in general, even if a QB misses some long bombs. And it hasn't been as per the results. Also, let's not rewrite history, Fields has not been quite as bad as he has here. And it's not just me saying that, even if you look at QBR, it's 10+ points less than any year since rookie year. That's A LOT. Maybe he regressed on his own, but clearly we cannot say QB coach did an amazing job with him. Bottom line, the jury is still out on offensive CS, and to evaluate we need a bigger sample size there with other QBs, hopefully starting tonight.
I guess that's my point....to 'just' make the POs, all a team needs is a top 5 QB. But to rack up SBs, a team needs a whole team.
If your point is that there are problems that run deeper than Fields, I agree 100%. I did not like the AG hire at all…and I LOVED Glenn the player here. But I feared that hiring yet another first time DC to be HC was a mistake we’ve made with 5 of the previous 6 hires, broken only by the Gase hire, which was so evidently terrible at the time to anyone who knew anything about football. I posted all of our QB draft picks since 2020 in one of these threads (sorry can’t remember which specific thread) and it was a sorry ass list. Basically Penny was the only one who worked out here…Sanchez sucked but we did have some playoff success with him, and then Geno and Sam went on to success at other places…but every other pick sucked balls. It didn’t matter what round we drafted the QB in…they ALL sucked. Different GMs and HCs, so if we want to try and figure out root cause, I’d start with Woody and whatever influence he has, I’d look at the scouting operation as I don’t know how that’s run, what the turnover there is, etc., and I’d for sure consider it a problem that Woody consistently hires newbie coaches from the defensive side of the ball, so not only do they have to learn on the job, but they haven’t been in a position of directly coaching the QBs or the offense, so no matter what argument we want to make as to “well the HC doesn’t call the plays or coach the QB or whatever”, it’s an issue. The past HCs who have been unable to identify and develop QBs are not AG obviously, but in a very real way, they kind of are. They all have been the same basic guy. All that being said, our infrastructure sucks and has sucked for decades…the proof is in the results. Still, like Borat said above…more than one thing can be true. All of that is true, and it is also true that Fields sucks. Badly. You can say I’m over the top with my criticism of him, but the dude has thrown for less than 60 yards in 4 fucking games…half his games! Sorry but I don’t think I’m being overly harsh on him. Yes he’s played better than that, but not by much, and his best has never been great anyway. So yeah, in the end, unless one of these QBs feels like a legit top QB in the draft, I’d rather pass and go find some vet as a holdover to the 2027 draft. I don’t want to waste a high pick on a QB that isn’t really deserving of it only because we need one so bad. I for sure think it’s a waste of a pick to use a later pick on QB…the delusion that we can find a decent QB in any other round is just that…a delusional fantasy…we’ve never done it, and honestly the NFL as a whole hardly ever succeeds either…26 of the 32 starting QBs this year are first rounders. Expecting this Jets team and this coaching staff to buck that trend is delusional…it’s throwing away a pick. I’d rather use that pick on a positional player who can contribute. It’s a sad state of affairs… On a personal note, I’ve always been more on the optimistic side honestly, and have always tended to see things on the bright side. But for whatever reason, I think I lost that when Woody hired AG. Maybe I’m just getting older, but I am just so sick and tired of watching this imbecile owner do the same stupid shit over and over and over, that it just broke that optimism in me. I just have very little hope that AG will develop into a good coach, I have like zero hope that we will somehow find and draft and develop the right QB, and I just am so sick of having to put up with this shit. If I could just find another team I would…but just can’t do it
