Getting a Joe Burrow ? Are you kidding me? Plus Kyler Murray and M Jones are not worth it either first of all a Burrow trade is just not happening …if it did the amount of capital future capital would be prohibitive I still believe in the Draft ..and that is the ONLY way to go . Let’s find the next Drake Maye Bo Nix J Daniel and JJ McCarthy..But The Jets can’t figure out how to do this right and it’s the first part of the Problem Most of the amazing Franchise turn arounds are happening with a young QB and a gifted HC or QB whisperer …see Vikings Pats Bears Broncos and Panthers coaches …and that’s the Second part of the problem So can A Glenn morph into his old boss Dan Campbell who is now doing the Lions play calling?? Lmao not a snowballs chance in Hell
I agree with the approach and I also agree that as a franchise, we have never been able to (1) identify the right QB, and then (2) develop him. Yes we hit on a couple of QBs like Pennington and Darnold…Penny was very good but injuries derailed his career, and Darnold we just surrounded with shit and never developed. And while I get that neither Mougey nor AG were any part of those, there IS still something in our DNA that has translated over time to keep causing failure after failure. Ownership is a huge part of it, as Woody has no clue. But while you may say history isn’t relevant to AG and Mougey, it kind of is in the sense that this same exact approach has been tried by us over and over and it’s ALWAYS failed. Not sometimes, not usually, ALWAYS. I have zero faith that AG would know how to develop a QB. I have a bit more faith in Mougey finding a good draft prospect, but AG? No. He chose Fields. That tells you something. However, it’s really the only way to go…we have too many holes on this roster to trade away however many picks it would take to get someone like Burrow, and in any case, that’s fan conjecture anyway…I haven’t heard any noise about the Bengals even considering moving on. I say HELL NO to a guy like Murray, who it feels like may become available, but I hate that player and would want no part of him anyway. I want my QB more on the serious studious side than on the lazy ass entitled side to the point where the team actually wants to put a clause in the contract to make him take it serious…let another bad team deal with that kind of dysfunction. We need to draft a QB. In the first round. That’s pretty much where we’re at… If we can do it this year with a worthwhile pick, great…if none of these QBs really earns that, I’m fine pushing it out to 2027 BUT we need to find a better hold the fort guy than Fields…I do not want to see him playing QB for us any fucking more.
Can you find me the last QB that was developed by someone that wasn't an offensive playcaller or the man behind the scheme? Why is AG the one developing him and not his entire staff? It's always so weird to me when people go the "DEFENSIVE COACHES CANT DEVELOP QBS" route because defensive coaches AREN'T developing QBs. Glenn's job is to make sure the culture is right and that the right guys are developing players. If you think Engstrand stands no chance then fine but you're not basing that on anything in the realm of reality.
Fair enough…I guess my view is that AG and his staff is not the right staff to develop a young QB. In the end, I get all the different points of view, for example, AG doesn’t call the defensive plays so you gotta look at Wilks instead of AG if you want to criticize the defensive coaching. So here the story is you gotta look at Tanner if you want to criticize the offensive coaching, or the ability to develop a young QB. I get that and I’m not disagreeing that it’s Tanner and/or his QB coach who would be working day in day out with the QB. I also get that Wilks as the DC is the guy who is putting together the game plans. But I feel that, like all good companies, the ultimate responsibility is on the CEO, or in this case, the HC. If we want to say look at Wilks for the poor defensive play then I also say yes but AG hired him, and supports him, and believes in him, like he’s said in the pressers…maybe we are seeing a bit of improvement lately though the Browns are a terrible offense so I’ll reserve judgment, but still. And if we want to say look at Fields for the poor offense, which I 1000% agree with, I’ll still say well shit this was AG’s handpicked guy, so what does that say about his ability to evaulate and understand the position…because I’m no fucking NFL coach, but even just watching the games I was saying this kid sucked a year ago…I didn’t need to overanalyze and “let’s see if we can catch lightning in a bottle” … so yeah, I will also put the terrible QB play at AG’s feet. He’s the man…he owns it. And as much as we can all say that all of our past fuckups with QBs had nothing to do with Mougey and AG, and I agree, I will still say that there is SOMETHING somewhere in our building that is behind all of this shit. I don’t know what it is, as I’m not there, but if I had to guess, or maybe to say it another way, if I were coming into this team as a consultant to try and fix the shit, I’d start with the owner and whatever he’s doing or not doing behind the scenes, I’d try and assess the scouting team and the process around all of that to see if we have a poor operation there as we have been one of the consistently poorest drafting teams, etc. There is some kind of stink that causes a team like ours to whiff on so many highly drafted QBs, not to mention the various 2nd round or later QBs we’ve drafted who have all sucked. But back specifically to my doubt about AG and this staff’s ability to develop a young QB, I just think the learning curve for a new NFL HC is high to begin with. The fact that this is an offensive league, and specifically a league where the rules are VERY slanted towards favoring a passing offense, makes it that much harder for a new DC to grow into the role. At least an OC can fall back on his own personal experience in running an offense, working with the QB directly, etc. It’s a lot.
If you had your choice, who would hire in this upcoming offseason to develop a young QB? And are you taking one in the top ten?
Considering our current QB coach is a RB coach it would behoove us to atleast get a decent QB coach in here.
I don’t know enough about the college crop of QBs for this year other than what I keep reading, and my basic understanding is that last year and going into this season, the talk track I kept hearing is that this was going to be a very good to great QB class, but now that we are through much of the season, seems like pretty much all the guys have disappointed, so I have no idea if any of them will be top ten worthy… I REALLY worry a lot that we will be pressured into taking a guy that may not deserve the spot, but we’ll see how it goes. If we’re going to keep AG, I’d probably be fine with keeping Tanner…again, like MLF became the scapegoat for Zach sucking, I don’t want to fire Tanner because he’s straddled with the worst so-called QB in the league, which I don’t think is his call to begin with…that is more likely AG’s call. I just didn’t want a rookie DC as HC…but here we are. I would have loved to hire an offensive guy instead. Personally, I don’t think Woody is going to fire Glenn so feels like a moot point to even consider, but if he would, I’d go try and lure a guy like Kliff Kingsbury over with 5 first round picks, or I would try to wipe the egg off our face and see if McCarthy would even consider us after we passed on him before…I’d take either of those guys. I’m sure there will be a nice list of OC’s up for spots after the season as well… But wishful thinking…
I don't think this is as big of a smoking gun as you might think it is. Plenty have said it before but Fields wasn't signed to be the guy. He was signed for a one year tryout when we were cleary focusing on building culture and working towards the future. If he worked out, great. If he didn't, great. Fields sucks, I didn't like the move, but I got it. You don't have to even try that hard to get it. We gotta stop acting like we made a franchise-crippling decision by signing Fields and it's commentary on AG's ability to evaluate them. Neither thing is true. And really it all goes back to the main point I was trying to make: the OC and the offensive staff are going to be the ones developing a QB. No one is giving Dan Quinn props for developing Jayden Daniels. Maye made a leap this year, no one is proclaiming Vrabel to be a QB guru. Baker Mayfield had a career renaissance under Todd Bowles, lord knows he didn't do the developing. John Harbaugh was a special teams guy a large majority of his career, Todd Monken developed Lamar.
Agree with the approach…we all knew this to be true…a “try-out” of sorts. But I do question AG’s and Mougey’s choice here…I think it was pretty fucking clear that Fields sucked…he did so for his whole career…he’s just Zach with better legs. There were other options we could have turned to for a bridge QB…shit, we could’ve signed guys like Russel or Jameis, which the Giants did, for cheaper…not sure if Brissett was available last off season or not, but other guys like Daniel Jones were available. Any one of those guys would have been better options, and I get guys like Winston pretty much suck, I know, but I still say they were better options than Fields…at least they can play the QB position to some extent. I’ve never seen a starting QB throw for as few yards as Fields has…not sure what his average is now after yesterday but it may even be below 100 yards per game. Like how the fuck does that happen? So yah, I get the thinking in bringing in a bridge guy,I just always disagreed with their choice of guy,..
Well you also need two to tango. "They should have" is only a thing if we know they COULD have. I'd have absolutely rather had Jameis here, but how do we know Jameis had any interest? And again while I didn't like it I absolutely understood taking a chance on a guy that maybe could be a guy for the future, even if its a 10% chance. Jameis is not that.
I guess I'll have a beer and ponder how dry I am. Anyone who gets that, gets nothing. I don't give away prizes. I just had tremendous fun with all of that.
I believe that you always try to get the FQB at all cost. The problem is that you need a good CS to identify that QB skillset of intelligence and physical ability and put together a plan to develop him slowly until he is ready to be in complete control of the offense. Jets do it backwards, instead of getting rid of players that suck, they hold on to them hoping they turn it around, and then get rid of the CS and new CS has players that suck on their roster or don’t fit scheme and they have to start over again. I’m not a fan of Glenn but this regime has made some good moves, not great but good. Fields was a bad move and Sherwood extension was bad but their draft was not terrible and they stand to bring in a slew of younger players next draft and position the team for some sustained success if they can find the FQB. The OC is working with a bad QB and there is nothing he can do about it, give him a better QB another star WR and let’s see what he can do. The Jets offense is not that far away from being good. The defense is a couple of LB and DT away from being good as well. McDonald and Johnson are good bookends. There are pieces in place so I’m for letting this regime have another year at making this work.
How many people do you think thought Sam sucked? Geno sucked? Baker sucked? Daniel Jones sucked? It was the same argument: it was clear they sucked, they sucked their entire career. And yet somehow all of them now either made Pro Bowls or lead their teams to many wins or both. The point is even if you think the guys with high draft pedigree sucked, there is still a chance they can develop the traits that got them drafted high and surprise people. Even if you don't think it is possible. It happened against all odds before. And if not, no harm no foul. Like a lottery ticket. You took one, it didn't work, you move on. It does not mean that your judgement is bad. In fact the expectation should be that it does not work. If it works, it's a miraculous bonus. Things went as expected, the miracle didn't happen, and you now get ready for the real plan, which I think was to draft a QB in this draft where most draft experts predicted would be QB rich. Just like they are predicting now for 2027. Who knows though, maybe there are going to be a couple of good guys coming out this year, and we can get one.
Yeah…I guess I’d say two things…first, for me, the chance of Fields developing was pretty much zero…I’d give it a 1% or 2% tops, and that’s generous…I’ve just never seen anything remotely to like about his play…may be a nice kid I have no idea, but he’s just not a QB. So I saw no real chance. Ever. Second, I’d have been pretty bullish on Jameis saying yes to being our starter vs. being 3rd string on the Giants…seems like that would have been a much easier path to playing time, so while we have no idea, I think its a safe bet he’d have been an option. But yeah, not a very good one…I get that. But at least the dude can do the basics. Fields can’t do squat. Four fucking games under 50% completion and WAY less than 100 yards. As was already said in the other thread, that’s fucking PATHETIC even for a high school QB. The fact that AG keeps trotting his ass out there is a pretty big issue in my mind…I don’t give a fuck that we won, anyone watching the game knows we won in spite of Fields not because of him.
I say no thanks on bringing in any veteran. We've tried it with two Hall-of-Famers and that didn't even work, so i'll pass on the marginal vets like Murray and Jones as well. We need to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback.
It is 142yds per game on average - the only QBs with fewer yards are Mariota; Russell Wilson and Dillon Gabriel. (edit: there was a cut off of a certain number of attempts to make the lists - if you look at Tyrod Taylor his stats were even worse with 126 yds per game and a lower yards per attempt score) If you look at net yards gained per passing attempt then the only QBs ranked lower are Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel (just to make it worse - the #1 ranked player is Sam Darnold....)
High drafted qbs that suck, suck until they leave the jets. Their potential is then brought out by an organization that knows how to properly surround and develope them.
Sanchez? Wilson? Both had their struggles with the jets and I don't recall either going on to have success elsewhere.
I doubt that. He's missed games in recent seasons. I look at the Jets all the high picks they've invested in the o-line in recent years, Garrett at WR, Mason at TE, Hall at RB it's a ? if they re-sign him or does he want to come back? It's a ? if they re-sign Tucker. It does appear as if all the Jets need at this point is the QB. The foundation for a awesome offensive team is in place. Let's say it would cost 3 first round picks to get Burrow they'd still have 2 first round picks.
