I was in favor of the Fields signing. I saw some hope in the high-level performances of other reclamation projects like Baker, Sam and Geno. They're outliers and the exception to the rule, there's way higher numbers of high draft pick QB's that ride off into the sunset with shit careers, nothing more - Fields is saddling up that horse...
This stint with the Jets has realistically killed what was left of his career. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This team is bad with or without Fields. He is part of the problem but he's not THE problem. At this point, I'll take 2-15 over another 7-10 season. 2-15 may actually be optimistic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I was not…at all I hated him coming out as a prospect and I hated him as a pro QB. He’s had these same flaws all along. And they are fatal flaws for a QB. You have to be able to read the field, know the routes and where your receivers will be, you have to process quickly, and you have to have an innate sense of the pocket. These are all intangibles so hard to quantify but you can sure see it when a QB plays. he has the arm strength and the athleticism but he has ZERO of those intangibles. Couples with a long windup throwing motion and it’s a disaster. he sucks he’s always sucked anyone can see it and THATS who our brilliant rookie DC wanted that itself was enough for me to not want AG if only I had a say…
I saw the technical flaws but I liked his production at OSU. His performance in the Clemson CFP game was epic. But yeah, your eyes are telling the truth. He makes slow reads, has a slow release and just doesn't have any pocket presence. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I did not like the OSU production…mostly because way too many of his big plays were never going to happen in the NFL…he played behind great OLs and he was throwing to NFL receivers like GW and Olave…too many of his plays were him running around for 10 seconds and throwing to wide open NFL receivers This was fool’s gold…it was NEVER going to happen in the NFL I wanted no part of him and was glad we didn’t draft him. That being said, many college QBs these days are just gifted athletes, some develop into real QBs but many don’t. So I guess there was a chance. But seeing what we saw in Chicago and then in Pitt, anyone with eyes can watch him play. He makes everything look difficult. Every pass is a struggle. I hated that AG wanted him, I hate that AG still defends him, and I hate that we keep playing him…he is killing this team…no offense is going to develop with him under center He is NEVER going to be a good QB. NEVER. He doesn’t have any of the real skills required. Can’t get blood from a stone. It’s just not gonna happen
Eh that’s not completely true though. Yes, they usually had the most talented roster on the field by a wide margin. He didn’t really run around for ten seconds and then make throws on non-NFL plays though. A lot of the way OSU moved the ball when he was there were big time layered throws outside the numbers on deep comebacks. Olave & GW were such magicians on the sideline with their footwork that it only made sense. Also connected on a lot of deep balls. Fields just doesn’t have the ability to see the field though. He’s also unbelievably streaky and it’s hard to understand how he can look so comfortable against the Steelers and then such a mess in the other games.
I actually don't think he was the problem in the previous games before last, aside from Buffalo, where everyone was the problem. He basically was a mid starting QB after his 1st 4 games. We had much bigger issues to focus on. I know I was higher on him than the others, but still every statistical measure supported the mid assessment as well. However, he definitely was the problem in the last game. That was a historically bad performance. It wasn't just a bad game. And as BN pointed out, this is the second horrific performance in just 5 games. It's not an outlier at this point, that's 40% of games where you look worse than some local HS QB. That repeat awful performance in the sample size of 5 brings from mid to bottom, even if I felt the other 3 games were not terrible, and some were solid. So now yeah, when you look at him on aggregate, he is definitely a big part of the problem. I don't want to have bottom rated QB on this team again, and after the last game, that's about where he is at.
Here is where we just disagree I think he’s been a big part of the problem all along. Even in those other games that you point to being ok, he was exactly this kind of terrible for the first three quarters…a couple of posters have posted those kinds of stats…in every game he was under 100 yards going into the 4th quarter outside of that Steelers game. It’s only in the fourth quarter when those games were all out of reach as we were down double digits, that the opposing D’s let up (and I know you don’t think so but they did 100%) that he padded stats. Denver’s D is very good, and they did not let up because they were not up big, and so Fields had 4 quarters of shit and there was no chance to pad stats. So yeah, he holds down the whole offense…he makes everything look difficult. He makes the easy shit look hard and the hard shit look impossible. He sucks. He’s always sucked…this year is no different than the shit he throws on the field for 4 years now. He’s not a starting caliber NFL QB, and the fact that AG was so prickly defending him and insisting you don’t bench a player for one bad game is all I need to know about AG. If he REALLY believes that, then he doesn’t know shit…Fields is bad. Really really bad. We saw how bad it could be yesterday…I don’t remember EVER seeing an NFL QB play all game and end up with a -10 yards passing. That is just unbelievable to me. Historically bad.
That' fine, we can disagree weather he had some solid games or not and even stat padding. It took me 5 games to evaluate, while you knew right away, and credit to you for that, but we ultimately arrived to similar conclusion. This has been one of the worst seasons I can remember. At least in 2020 I remember I was rooting hard for a tank to get Lawrence, who was considered generational, and get rid of Gase. Now we are kinda stuck between rock and the hard place.
I too was hoping for a Mayfield, Darnold, Geno reclamation but that's simply not going to happen. This kid's confidence is gone. He was staring open receivers down only to get sacked because he's afraid to throw the ball. And I mean these guys were open. There were at least 2 balls where the defender was a good 2yds. off. On a 5 yd. play. This kid needs to disappear into a Shanahan/McVay type team and sit as the #3 for a year or two to even think about having a career. Even then it may only be as a backup. I was one of those that took 4 and the under for wins this year and even that might be high. This is a 1/2 win team, at best, and that is if Taylor is playing. The Jets are definitely going to be top 1 or 2 in the draft this year but I'm not as warm and fuzzy about this current crop of college QB's as I was earlier in the year. In fact, Arch Manning is playing himself into coming back next year just to re-raise his draft stock.
Rookie GM, Rookie HC, Rookie OC, unremarkable DC who has bounced around unsuccessfully for years, young QB who has yet to learn how to actually play the position, and the stench of 14 years of futility permeating the building straight out of Woody’s office. We are a team full of morons, coached by morons, owned by morons. We as fans don’t deserve this, it’s fucking cruel.
I know that was the hope with Fields, that he could be like Mayfield or Darnold or Geno, but that was never gonna happen if you just watch him play. Those other guys, especially Mayfield and Darnold, were legit QBs…they struggled on shit teams for sure, but they had QB skillsets between the ears. They could make the basic throws. Fields doesn’t have it. He never had it. He’s always been slow to process, he’s always had trouble reading the field, he’s always had to see receiver get open before throwing it (and now he see them open and doesn’t throw it anyway!), he’s always held the ball way too long, he’s always taken too many sacks, and he’s never thrown with anticipation. Shit, feels like even so many of his completions are off target and only complete if the receiver twists or makes some crazy play on the ball. That happens WAY too often with him. He has the physical ability but these are fatal flaws for a QB…they are the intangibles, the innate feel for the position that he has never shown to have. He’s Zach Wilson with better legs. That’s it. Neither guy will ever become a great QB.
I'll say the same thing about Fields that I said about Wilson (because they are equally football-dumb). They should give Fields one target every passing play. Either the guy is open (and Fields throws it to him) or he isn't (and Fields throws it out of bounds or way over everyones' heads). That's it. Nothing else. No reading the defense. No waiting for a guy to get open. Just one player to look at and "Is he open or is he covered?" That takes away holding on to the ball for 7 seconds every dropback. The team will never do it because every coach thinks they are the smartest person on the planet and only they can fix Dumb QB X given enough time.
A reporter should have asked Fields if he let his defense down... Here's a fun fact... Justin's enjoying a 94.2 rating this season... a career high!
I’ve never seen a statline be as off the mark in representing a player’s performance as that…he is in no way as good a QB as that rating would indicate Clearly that rating does not take into account missed opportunities or sacks or fumbles or whatever, but if you see that rating on a QB you’d think he was playing pretty well, and the eye test on him says 100% the opposite
I don't believe you. (Looks up the stat) I still don't believe you. (Looks up the stat in three other sites) I STILL don't believe you (Calculates it myself) I .... got nothing
