he does his job at setting the edge vs the run. At least does better then McDonald, who at this point is strictly a pass rush specialist.
Went back and looked a couple more times after watching Allen flop some more tonight and I think you guys were right. BS call. Completely changes the trajectory of the game too. Underwhelming teams have no chance to win with calls like this especially when it’s not reciprocated.
There really was NO helmet to helmet contact with Josh Allen. Clemons got a raw deal. But I still await his departure in earnest regardless.
Josh Allen has received the most roughing the passer calls of any QB. He has received 12 the past 2 seasons leading the league. In the 2020 season he got 11 in one season also alone at the top
Mooge and AG fucked this position up. They managed to fix DT last min, but DE continues to be an issue from last year. The guy they traded up in the 5th for sucks, and they didn't bring anyone else, even though there some relatively cheap solid options, like Clowney. McD still can't play the run and is a specialist, while JJ predictably cannot be counted on for most plays all 17 games coming from serious injury. Young PS guys we had also didn't show out. So, yeah, as bad as Clemons is, I guess he is still a little better than all other pathetic PS scrubs we have. We basically still haven't recovered since the time JD gave away for nothing JFM and Huff.
The Ravens got a top 10 talent at DE in the 2nd round with Mike Green. Woulda preferred him to Jason Taylor’s kid
I wouldn’t say they fucked it up, they inherited two former 1st round picks at DE. We have empty cabinets in just about every other positional group. They can’t fix everything at once, and DE was probably the lowest concern.
This... I get it. They can't turn over the entire roster in one season. However, Clemons has been nothing but a penalty magnet since he got to the team. Not the 5yd variety either nor the calls from regular game play. He gets the egregious bonehead 15 yd. calls. I do agree that the Allen call was bullshit. But, again, the minute that Allen's toe crosses that white line...you do whatever you can to not even touch him. Because, if you do film study as @BrowningNagle pointed out, you'll see that Allen gets the calls. It's about preparation.
Clemons is notorious enough that he doesn’t get a benefit of the doubt. Just as we as fans know our players well, so do the refs. Allen is obviously gonna be protected more than others, just as Clemons is going to be flagged even if the call is questionable. But mainly the thing is Clemons isn’t very good to begin with, so he doesn’t offer anything to counter his destructiveness. He’ll be gone at the end of the year, but in the grand scheme of how bad things are on this team, he’s like problem number 247 out of all the problems we have.
My problem with it though is that it’s not hard to find mercenary defensive linemen every year on short term cheap deals. We haven’t tried to sign one that I can remember. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/ed Matthew Judon, Omenihu, Derek Barnett, Joe Tryon, etc. Pennies on the dollar. Same thing with defensive tackle.
I mean, we could have just signed Clowney for 3-4 mil. You don't have to put in a permanent fix in one season, I get it, but how does signing a guy like Clowney for 3.5 mil (and there were other competent vets too) stop Mooge from addressing other things? I get the point about not addressing WR2. That's not amazing that we are barren past GW, but something that's not that easy to do and will require a large financial commitment or high picks or both. Though not ideal, I could see why they could not do that - to your all at once point. But getting a solid rotational vet or two at DE for a relatively small amount is not rocket science. Also would have been nice if they were able to get someone more competent than the Florida kid in the draft, but if they see the guy is not ready, then they should have gone after someone like Clowney, same way they got the DTs late in the offseason. Clowney was available as late as last week. That is a miss, no question about it. It may have been a BS penalty on Clemons with Allen flop, but the guy still sucks. I mean, we gave benefit of the doubt to AG and Mooge even though everyone felt DE was weak and it's clear they failed on this one. Very similar to Gipson and Stephens.
Right…so far I’m not impressed with Mouge…on the positive side, I like that he extend our two best young core players at key positions in GW and Sauce. That was a proactive step that needed to happen. On the down side, the draft so far, and sure it’s early, has provided very little past Membou. I expected Taylor to be a bigger part of the answer at TE given how bad we are there but so far, Ruckert has done more so that’s a sobering thought. The 3rd round corner and 4th round receiver haven’t done squat yet, so we need to at some point see if they can play…especially Smith as we have absolutely nothing at receiver anyway so may as well see if he can play. Moore will get his chance this weekend since Adams is out so we’ll see. On the free agency side, Stephens has been a very bad signing for way too much money based on how he’s played…and that was questioned in real time when we signed him…not like it’s hindsight…there were plenty of questions around it and the answer was mostly something like “well, AG is a DB so we should just trust him on this one” and so far, that’s been a huge fail. Picking up the DT at the last minute was a plus as well, but it should have been addressed earlier anyway so kudos yes but feels like he should have seen the hole earlier. So thus far, and again, only 2 games…it’s a long season so too early to call anything yet, but just the same, it doesn’t look like a huge win to me. Of course, the REAL test will come next draft when Mougey is going to have to draft a QB…will he get a Stroud or Daniels, or will he get a Fields or Zach?
Me, I'll take someone like Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Anything less is unacceptable. I think the NY Jets have suffered long enough where the QB "draft gods" can finally shine on this team. It's OUR turn for a fucking change.
Wow guys Cimini shared some stats this morning Clemons has more career penalties than he does sacks (9 to 7.5) Clemons had 41 snaps last week, the crucial roughing penalty, and NOT 1 tackle. Zero tackles https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46314554/new-york-jets-michael-clemons-penalties-aaron-glenn
Well, needless to say Michael Clemons did absolutely nothing today. He was regularly blocked one on one by a tight end, which is completely unacceptable for a real DE. No athleticism, no ability to read the play, typically overpursues and just appears lost out there despite this being his 4th yr in the NFL. Practice squad player at the very best. And not for anything but Brandon McGregor wasn’t any better. I mean, he hit 180 pound guy at full speed and McGregor seemed to take brunt of it. And then McGregor completely missed a wide open field tackle later in the game when he had his hands on the guy because he reached out up too high instead of grabbing him around the waist. And this compounded by the fact that Will McDonald had zero tackles today against a second string offensive tackle. Extremely alarming. Though he had the great touchdown at the end, he completely disappeared during the entire game. To me, - if there was a glaring need now in the early rounds of the upcoming draft — it would be a big time DE.
At the very least Aaron Glenn and Dan Mougey doesn't know how to judge talent which is a bad sign, why Stephens, Gipson, Clemons were on the opening day roster is mind baffling
