Timing was definitely weird…just another example of Woody’s piss poor judgment That imbecile has no business owning a team…
There was a strong contingent that wanted change but at least a third of us wanted to see what Darnold had in the tank.
At least a year under new coaching/Mgmt. Bring in a bunch of high draft picks to set up your next couple of drafts and see what you really have….
In hindsight and in foresight JD should have protected Sam his first year and got him some weapons, so that he can be evaluated. Even if defense was not good. Once he didn't do it, that pretty much set in motion the sequence of events that resulted in 6 more years of failure.
I am still undecided which on of these guys was worse, but in the 1st two drafts plus the post draft offseason before that JD didn't do shit. Izdik never got 3d year. So, it's a tough one. 2 years of failure vs 6. And Izdik has better record. Now, I do acknowledge that JD did some good things, but over the course of 6 years it's pretty diluted. If he is better (I probably still lean that way), it wasn't not by much.
Well Stinky has a point - JD didn’t screw up the top picks except for Wilson anyway. He did bring some talent aboard. But it’s like what another poster described the other day. All of these recent GMs have stunk it’s just a matter of which shit stunk worse. No playoffs in 15 years is all that matters in the end. It causes me to reflect on Tannabaum. While a lot of posters here complained (and still do every now and then) one thing we can say is he built a good team. Maybe not the conventional way. He had that one good draft at the top in 2006 then curiously traded almost the entire 2007 draft for Revis and Harris. However he did get two pro bowlers. Two AFC championship appearances. Does that make him a good GM or a lucky one considering his drafts overall were very average? He wheeled and dealt during his time in NY rather then depending on quantity of draft picks.
There's plenty of blame to go around. No one need take it all. I'm more inclined to fault the coaching more than the GM. I look to the players that weren't successful in NY yet somehow went to other teams (Bechton). It pisses me off, just because a guy is drafted for a spot, once you get him in camp these supposed "professionals" couldn't tell the guy was a guard? How did this cat have to go to another team to be discovered he was more guard material in the NFL? I don't give a shit if he was drafted to be a tackle. On and on and on. You know what did JD in more than anything else? The line. It was the ONE position group that he utterly failed at. Now, it's irrelevant if it was he who failed or the coaching. Although, THIS is why I personally feel that teams who have both the Coach and GM report to the owner fails. If I'm JD, I point directly to the coaching as to why "my" picks on the line suck. He could even hold up the examples of the kids who left to go on to other teams and become starters or key rotational players. Unfortunately, I highly doubt Foolio (Woody) would ever take ownership of that kind of mess. It's why the GM should pick the coaches. When there's a failure in the chain then you can go straight to the GM for answers. In this case, JD could be seen as taking the fall for coaching he had no hand in picking. Food for thought.
EDIT: You are correct mezzavo. And who set that chain up? Woody…. So your first sentence sums it up. Plenty of blame to go around ..
QB is more important than OL. 2015 Cowboys had a whole OL of all-pros, but when Romo got hurt, they couldn't win anything using 3 different QBs, including Mark Sanchez. They finished the year 4-12. Look at the teams like Houston, Denver and Washington that turned their fortunes around overnight by hitting on a good QB. OL is important, but not as important as QB. Right now the Jets have as good an OL as you can draft, let's see if it makes a difference.
Well we will see about the GM vs HC/coaching thing, because 4 of our starting 5 OL were JD guys playing under Saleh/Ulbrech and Keith Carter. Seems like most of us expect our OL to be at least average and maybe better than average. If they come through, that’s a good argument for coaching matters. But I thought that JD started with Gase but when Woody fired Gase, I thought it was JD who had final say in coaching and he chose Saleh…I remember the talk track was that he wanted a “CEO type” coach as opposed to a hands on offense or defense guy. So JD owns the coaching decision I think.
I am sure Anderson and then Perriman as WR1, no TE at all, and no OL for his entire tenure plus god awful coaching didn't help. I remember in the ghosts game even commentators were outraged how badly Gase fucked Sam with his play calling. Jets ruined Sam, that much I think is obvious, and under JD he had the worst supporting cast with OL, TE, and WR core, so JD is absolutely big part of the blame.
Agreed. JD owns the coaching as well. People forget that Woody started meddling only towards the end of his tenure. JD was considered to be god initially, football guy from Baltimore and Philly, hot commodity, etc... Remember this "in JD we trust", "JD is playing chess while other GMs are playing checkers", etc... And Woody was onboard as well. The coaching is on JD.
Not debating that at all, just saying on top of fucking up QB after already having what turned out to be a good young QB on the roster, he fucked up big in other key areas as well. And btw fucking up OL and WR played a big role in fucking up QB also. Who knows what Sam could have done his last year here if he had a decent protection and some weapons his first year. Maybe he could have shown enough to make it obvious to keep him. But with Perriman as WR1 and no OL and no TE Sam had no chance, starting the chain of events which resulted in 6 years of failure.
