Why? He’s not an elite QB prospect. That’s because he knows if his son has any chance of succeeding in the NFL, he’s going to need a patient and innovative coach that designs a playbook to his strengths. There’s no evidence that Engstrand is that guy.
oh okay thanks bro I dont think Deion is going to pull a stunt with any organization. I think he was just making controversial statements on his show to generate more viewers. Especially since he intentionally didn't name any specific organizations.
He’s succeeded in 3 different offenses in 3 years. He’s a lot more malleable than you’re making him out to be.
That’s great in college. There’s nothing in his film that shows me he can read and react to a defense. He lobs up alot of 1x1 balls, his highlight video is chock full of them. Lobbing a ball to a receiver who makes a play over an inferior CB doesn’t impress me. Neither do all the highilghts of him breaking off the play and running around playing streetball. He, like Zach Wilson ironically, does not have the size or frame to be a running QB threat. He’s gonna get killed. Many of his highlights involve questionable decisions that his receivers bailed him out on. At least 4 of his highlight video plays have him throwing into double and triple covg and his receiver makes a play. That won’t happen in the NFL. I’m sorry, I just do not see him as an elite prospect. Geno Smith is his ceiling, and even then I’m being generous.
I think he absolutely would, it’s especially important if the kid is a QB. There’s precedent that a player can go to a trash organization and have individual success despite the organization as a whole being a complete dumpster fire, but if you’re a QB, the whole thing needs to be right otherwise their career may be over before it starts. You only get one shot at doing this right, I don’t think he was joking at all about that. I’d be the same way.
Well Deion also commented, as recently as yesterday about picking situations, that the reports are a lie and "we are thankful for whatever God chooses" so yeah good talk though
I've said it before and I'll say it again...that dumpster there, in my avatar, is where you'll find ALL my Jets gear if they take EITHER of these fucking 2nd round talent QB's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t necessarily disagree with you that Deion is definitely setting boundaries as to which team Shadeur will go to, but your argument that QB’s only get one shot is a total fantasy. Josh Rosen has been in the league up to last season. Justin Fields is now with us, his 3rd team. Zach Wilson is on his 3rd team. Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith…. On and on and on. In fact I’d go so far as to say highly drafted QB’s get more chances than any other position.
Now THIS is a solid plan and EXACTLY what I want to unfold. The team NEEDS draft picks. There are enough holes that the more picks the better!
I was thinking similar. I'm also slowly becoming "high" on the TE Warren. Wouldn't it be nice, for a change, the Jets have an honest to goodness BEAST at TE and they actually USE said beast in a similar fashion as Kittle, Kelce, Bowers etc...
In COLLEGE. I'm pretty certain you could have stuck Tim Tebow in EVERY college program and he would have dominated. Look, I don't think Ward is anything more than a backup in the NFL. Sanders, on name alone, is going to get waaaayyyyy over drafted and will be LUCKY to be IN the league in 5 years. THAT may only happen on name alone as well. Sorry, Sanders is simply not an NFL starter caliber QB. Barely a backup in my personal opinion. Then again, what do I know.
Ok… first of all take out Zach Wilson and Daniel jones because they are proving my point… actually, so are all of them. How many QBs are drafted to shit organizations and never become anything? A million. A very, very small percentage have gone onto other teams and at least somewhat resurrected their careers some (Mayfield is the best example, Darnold who knows, I need to see it beyond a year). Both those are 2 guys compared to a thousand that never did anything. Even mayfield and Darnold would tell you their careers didn’t go the way they planned. If they had gone to competent organizations to star, where would they be now? Don’t confuse the exceptions with the rule.
Shadeur played at Jackson State, I'm not even sure they can afford regulation approved helmets for everyone at Jackson State. Some guys may have used duct tape or shared helmets in practice. I think he will be okay. Every NFL organization will seem "competent" compared to what he's seen
I basically been making the same argument about Drake Maye to pats fan over on a Red Sox board i post on (they are my team in baseball. Wild I know). Love the prospect. Hate the fact he got drafted into a developmental death sentence. As such my reality expectation of what he amounts to, at least while there, has a much lower ceiling then it would have in the event he got drafted in say..SF with Shanahan. I also think Justin Fields makes for a great example that even when you get another opportunity as first go around "bust", it typically is always going to end up being a jump from one bad/dysfunctional opportunity to another one that is more less equally as bad. And hence why it's there for them in the first place. The league and tic toc depth level of media speculation surrounding it nowadays defaults into some fairly unforgiving outlooks on guys once that NFL virginity is gone, and it's no longer as easy to hype their unknown quality up as potential saviors.
This is going to be Sanders. A FANTASTIC example! To be honest, from a physical standpoint, Sanders isn't in Lance's league either. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...n&cvid=ded3023dc6b64922e51114d09e40c9c4&ei=20
Well that’s why it’s a highlight tape, it shows big plays. If you methodically watch him throughout the course of the game he’s reading defenses all game long and finding the open receiver. There’s a reason his receivers yardage distribution across a bunch of players is pretty damn good in 2023 and 2024 when you also have the Heisman winning receiver on your side. I don’t really think you watched him all that much throughout his two years if you think he hit pay dirt in his career on big 50/50 balls. He was also throwing to 6’/180 pound Travis Hunter, 5’9”/174 pound Jimmy Horn and 5’10”/163 pound Lahjontay Wester so I’m not sure where these physically dominating jump ball receivers were coming from. I also don’t understand what “that’s great in college,” means as if adaptability to different systems isn’t a good trait to drag with you to the pro’s? You dragged the point out of context and diminished it because it’s in college. Obviously it’s in college, he’s not a pro yet. But it’s good to see. And I was responding to someone say he’ll only fit in with a team that adapts to him which is contrary to what he did in college which is adapt to everything including coaching around him.
Huh? I don’t need an excuse. He was awesome at Colorado. I believe the best completion percentage, ever. — My point was in response to the opinions that others have that he can’t perform with adversity or with less competent organizations
