Josina's source also knew they selected Mooge out of the 3 finalists. Hopefully they can find whoever leaked it and get rid of him. She portrayed Charles London in a pretty bad light here, even though he could have had valid reasons to come out with that feeling, like the like the one you have given.
Why did she have to qualify “non white coach” to make a point they didn’t like Sanders attitude. Surprise, surprise. Sounds like tweeter click trash journalism to me.
It looks like someone commented saying something like culture criticism was race related, and she responded that it was "the opposite" Then deleted the tweet, but too late. That along with "top 7 team" makes me think it is the Jets, but who knows. Josina is usually spot on though, this is not Russini. I did not like that she made judgement on the coach, but she seems to have reliable source from what I can tell from this offseason. Hopefully not for too long though
Haven’t you guys learned by now not to trust anything you are hearing about these draft prospects at this point, we are officially right square in the middle of smokescreen season.
Did Tom Brady have awesome arm talent? I'm asking because I don't know. I don't remember him having the strongest arm out there like Josh Allen. He also didn't have running talent. My back-seat driver opinion is that he excelled in the mental skills and was a very accurate thrower. What were his strengths that made him so great?
True, he was not very mobile, but he did have elite arm as well, not just mental skills, processing, etc...
Tom Brady did it all as I remember, (unfortunately for the Jets.) Maybe at the end of his career some of the arm strength waned a bit, but by then he didn't need it so much. Nevertheless, arm strength is important. As a QB you have to be able to convince opposing defenses that you can beat them deep, otherwise, they'll beat you by clogging up the middle and choke off passing lanes. True, Brady was not a runner, but as you say he had tremendous pocket presence to avoid a rush. Running is a skill that helps while a QB figures out the pro game. QBs like Allen, Jackson and now Daniels ran a lot early in their careers but now throw from the pocket. I once heard an interview with Mike Shanahan who said that to succeed in the NFL, a QB must learn to throw from the pocket. That is one reason RG3 failed. But you are right, there are a lot of skills needed by a top QB in the NFL and that's why it's so hard to judge them coming out of college.
Yeah, while not very mobile, he had elite presence in the pocket as well. But, he is a unicorn. We are literally talking about best of all time. To maximize probability of success for any QB pick, mobility is in fact very important. You don't have to be Lamar, but being a statue does reduce success probability.
Problem is that the combine does not seem to be a very good test of the intangibles, which are just as (if not more) important than the physical traits for a QB to succeed in the NFL Sure, the combine can confirm running speed, arm strength, height, weight, maybe a bit on the accuracy side, but those are only half the story. While that’s true to an extent for all positions, it’s critical for the QB It’s why I hate guys who scream up the draft boards after the combine…if you come out of the combine with a very different view on a guy compared to what that view was at the end of the college season, you REALLY need to question why that is I think some teams too often change their ratings after the combine because they see dominant physical traits, like speed or strength, and then think they can coach the player up if those traits didn’t match the college production, but that’s a rare feat I think
Zach Wilson made one of the most, if not the most famous combine (or pro day?) throw of all time. Look how that worked out.
That’s just not true. Brady did not have elite arm strength. Early in his career there were constant (silly) debates on whether he or Pennington had a stronger arm. Brady had sufficient arm strength, but nothing close to elite.
THIS all day long and twice on Sunday! The Jets are NOTORIOUS for doing this shit. Wilson, Gholston to name a few... Me, personally, I think they should throw the combine in the trash. It's useless. They are football players. Look at the damn "tape," see how they PLAY football and make your decisions. There are games such as the North/South game, the Sr. Bowl etc. to gauge the D2&3 guys against the the D1 guys. If there aren't enough of those types of games, make some more! I'd rather judge incoming talent based upon the play on the field vs. whether a guy can freakin' jump high and far. Had to do some digging but here was a scouting report on Brady: GOSSELIN DRAFT ANALYSIS: Tom Brady backed up Brian Griese as a sophomore on Michigan’s national championship team in 1997, then took over as the starter in 1998. Despite setting a school record for completions (200) that year, Brady split time at quarterback with Drew Henson for much of 1999. He won 20 of his 25 career starts and closed his career with a 34-of-46 passing performance for 369 yards and four touchdowns in a 35-34 Orange Bowl overtime victory over Alabama, twice rallying the Wolverines from 14-point deficits. There should have been an inkling then. But there wasn’t. Brady measured 6-4.3, 211 pounds at the NFL scouting combine with a 5.24-second 40-yard dash and a vertical jump of 24 ½ inches. There were 15 offensive lineman at that combine that both ran faster and jumped higher than Brady. Gosselin ranked Brady as the seventh quarterback on his draft board, a sixth-round value. Here are comments on Brady from five talent evaluators leading up to the 2000 NFL draft: Scout: Awful. Not even on my board. Weak. He’ll make somebody a good husband or a good medical salesman. Scout II: Has a quick, (former Michigan QB Brian) Griese-type release. Quarterback coach: Backup. Could be a #2 in this league for a long time. Has the size but not enough arm. Offensive coordinator: More instinctive than (Michigan State QB Bill) Burke. Makes better decisions, makes more plays. General manager: Like him. Just wish he was a better athlete.
Agreed, not elite arm strength, but very good, I would say above average arm strength plus elite accuracy. That's pretty elite arm talent overall, which is what I was answering. Listen I hate the guy for how much grief he caused us, but credit where credit is due.
The combine should be relied on more by GM’s to DEVALUE a prospect as opposed to significantly increasing their value. For example, if you have a guy who’s put out dominant game tape and you have a high grade on him, the combine is gonna tell you if that player has the elite athletic traits to continue playing at that high level in the NFL. But a player that did not play at a high level against top competition in college should never have his stock elevated based on pro days or the combine. The combine can be used to solidify a pick you already strongly considered making, not be the reason you suddenly value a player. Jaxson Dart is a perfect example of the media and draft suddenly moving an undeserving QB way up the charts. This kid was a day 2 or 3 pick based on his collegiate career. Now there’s talk of the Giants taking him 3rd overall. This is the kind of shit smart teams avoid.
Very good points. Along those lines, a GM should be also very, very careful to over value a player that might have excelled in college, but against inferior competition, or only in a very tailored system he will never face in the NFL.
I'm guessing the overall likelihood we end up being that "not smart team" who over-drafts a guy like Dart is a lot higher. Which is also something that should be scaring the pants off of all of us atm/imo. I think a good read of the board right now has Sanders being there for the NYG at #3. With Deion's blessing, and which wouldn't be the case with that #2 pick Cleveland could still throw such caution to the wind on (but ultimately won't because it they simply afford to risk taking that type of major L atm). It might boil down to that Raiders pick at #6 having a pretty dramatic impact on whether I ultimately end up liking or completely loathing how this draft shapes up for us. As such I'm pretty much rooting for them *not* to end up being the team making any heavier commitments at QB in FA. Definitely not the team that goes in on Sam Darnold as that 100% takes them out of position from being a natural roadblock to us potentially making the Daniel Jones pick at #7.
At the end of the day, as long as the Jets do NOT draft a QB on day 1 or 2, I'll consider that a win and major brownie points to the team of Glenn and Moog. If Sanders and Ward aren't rated with 1st round grades, on many GM's draft boards, then the other QB's shouldn't be anywhere near day 1 or 2 as far as the draft goes. At least for SMART teams. As I've mentioned in other threads, a 1/2 year deal for Fields, if he shakes free from Pitt, BPA at 7 that isn't a QB and the team will be taking the PROPER steps to building a "normal" team. Whatever normal looks like. You're taking a flyer on a kid who still "might" put it all together in Fields, fills the QB room with 3 players (Fields, Tyrod & Travis), and allows them to continue to fill the roster with immediately startable talent. There is NO downside to bringing in Fields. I've seen some of the arguments and the ones I've seen smack of personal bias as opposed to the product on the field. It's my belief that Pittsburg should have left Wilson on the bench and played Fields, barring injury, the entire season. Then again, who am I? lol However, as far as QB goes, this season, I wouldn't draft any of them. But that's just me.
not sure this is true either. at least early in his career he threw behind receivers a lot i think his magnificence was in reading defenses and having the courage to spread it around. Someone is open
The greatest QB in the world in my opinion woupd be a Defensive Coordinator with the physical ability to play QB. That’s what Bellichick built in Brady. Brady strongly credits Belly for his role on helping Brady understand defenses. If you understand how a DC thinks and reacts, then you can easily pick them apart knowing who the open receiver will be by matchups. They had weekly 1x1 meetings together, picking apart defenses to understand what will work and what won’t. You take the intelligence, drive, and desire of Brady and match it up with the information that Bellichick had to offer as a defensive genius and you create arguably the best QB in the game.
