Jets 2025 QB Discussions, News and Rumors

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  1. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    Had this been 3 years ago, I wanted Carr over Rodgers. Now, after the beating Carr has taken down in NO, I'd hard pass. Same with Cousins. Atlanta exposed his QB Drop off and the only thing Cousins is going to do is become a backup. That leaves, Fields IMO.

    On a side note, I find it kind of laughable that there are those out there floating Darnold's name. Do any of you seriously think that kid would come back here? After the way the organization treated him? The fans. That's one thing NY Fans need to start getting through their heads. "We" burn bridges of players, especially QB's. Some of the nasty stuff I read was pretty bad. Besides, he's going to get offers from "real" NFL teams that don't spend their entire existence on perennial re-build.

    Hell, if I were Donald and the Jets called I'd throw an extra $50 mill on the end of the contract just because. No, even without all the baggage, I'd rather have a very mobile guy back there, in Fields, than Darnold who is not as mobile. Until further notice, the Jets O-line still stinks. The Jets had their shot at Darnold and it didn't work out. Time to move on through 2025 and see what happens.
     
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  2. Borat

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    Here is a compilations of all 22 in depth analysis of Justin Fields' 2024 games by some really reputable folks, former QBs or Coaches. Missing only last game, where they put up 32 points with Justin having two rushing TDs. These who think Fields is garbage (@Jets79 , @REVISion, others) if you find time, take a look at the tape and also analysis by these guys, who are top notch analysts and actually watch all film. Let me know what you think.

    After watching the film, I feel Justin right now is an average starting QB, not some garbage starter. Is he great - no. But he is not bad at all. He is an upgrade over Rodgers today. Next year he will probably be better, because he improved every year thus far. And he is still 25 years old. This to me is as much a no brainer as there is one. I think there is a decent chance he might be solid this year or even a plus starter or better. And if he is not, we can draft a QB next year. Sign the guy to a 1-2 year deal, and then look to draft a QB in 2026 if it does not work out. We have an opportunity to get a young QB who can make every throw and a duel threat with good potential who is already decent without spending a draft pick. Easy decision.

    Game 1
    By Chase Daniel
    By JT O'Sullivan

    Game 2
    By Chase Daniel

    Game 3
    By Chase Daniel
    By JT O'Sullivan
    By Kurt Warner

    Game 4
    By Tim Jenkins
    By Chase Daniel

    Game 5
    By Tim Jenkins
     
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  3. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    I’m all for grabbing Fields, but to say he’s an upgrade over Rodgers is ignorant. Rodgers just gimped his way to 10 more TD’s and 1000 more yards than Fields has ever had in a season. Frankly I don’t think you’ll ever see 28 passing Td’s and 3800 yds from Fields. Hell I don’t think he could touch 3800 yards even if you include his rushing yards. He may have potential to be an upgrade over a 41 yo QB with a gimpy Achilles and bad knees, but he’s not at the moment.
     
  4. Borat

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    I watched every play of Rodgers - and there are some good stats and bad stats. Overall my conclusion is that he is a below average QB. After watching and analyzing hours of Fields tape above with some really knowledgeable people opining as well on the play designs in these videos, I think Fields is a little better now, and this is no disrespect to Rodgers who can still play and whom I like. And given another year where Rodgers is older and Fields has been improving every year, the projection is he should definitely be better in 2025.

    Watch some of the tape - above is nearly his entire season and then tell me what you think. But an opinion that Fields is better is not just based on tape, both passer rating (plus Fields is way more mobile) and QBR rate Fields higher too. It's not just me looking at the tape and going against all the numbers. But again, watch this film if you have some time and let me know what you think.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Fields is not better than Rodgers. He is way cheaper though and way younger

    it would free this team up to address other areas and build something around their young players
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Also it is unwise to extrapolate Fields' 5 games in 2024 to a 17 game season. Especially unwise to compare it to people like Jalen Hurts, which I've seen here. Fields has not been consistent enough to assume he gets through 17 games without being benched, traded or injured.


    I like Fields actually and I hope he can improve to that level somewhere but until he does lets not assume he will
     
  7. Borat

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    I understand that it is not 17 games. But 6 games is a decent sample size though. If you look at the tape he was consistently solid. Given his youth he could have actually improved if they kept him as a starter. Can you look at some of these games I posted and then see how you feel after.

    Even if you don't think he is better now, look at the film, and he was not that far off in 2024, and much more mobile. Add one more year of Rodgers' expected decline in 2025, and they are at the very least in the same ballpark for 2025, and actually I think Fields will be better. Take a look at the film, there is a lot of good there. And this is not a diss at AR, but Fields did well and father time is undefeated.
     
  8. Jets79

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    I know you love Fields, but I don’t think he’s as good as you say he is…and definitely can’t extrapolate a few games to a whole season.

    However, I do kind of agree with you that of all the options out there (unless some kind of trade opportunity pops up), he is probably the best way to go…I’d hate to pay high dollars to guys like Cousins or Carr (who aren’t available yet anyway), I’d hate to waste time with hold the fort guys like Jacoby Brissett or Jameis Winston, and I’m not at all about trading up to draft a QB this year, and would only consider it if one of them dropped down to us at 7, and even then, I think it’d probably be better to trade back and rebuild…we have a lot of needs and lots of free agents, so yeah, given the options, I’d probably say Fields and the (small) chance he develops into an above average QB would be better than the other options out there.
     
  9. tomdeb

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    Nice post. The other thing is that Fields might consider signing w the jets since he would be the starter on day 1. He likely would not have to compete for the top spot as he did in Pittsburgh, which might make the jets more enticing.
     
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  10. Borat

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    I think this is a very reasonable take, but if you find time, take a look at the all 22 film. I think you may be surprised that Fields is actually a lot better than you thought. There were some really high level throws, and a lot of them. He was hit a lot by the shit of the OL they had and still made plays, many called back for penalties. Honestly, I liked Fields for youth, potential and some limited ability he showed, but even I didn't expect that he is already a very decent starter, which is what it looks like watching the film. And this is not to say the guy is amazing, he does make mistakes. Rodgers did also. But the film is better than what I thought it would be, where I feel like he was an average starter as a 25 year old. And can get better.

    I understand 6 games is not 17, but this is a good sample size and he was consistently good. Just watch if you get time and would love to hear your take.
     
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  11. Borat

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    I think it comes down to if Mooge/AG want him and how much his price tag will be. Looking at other options for him, we have Titans, Giants, Pitts, Raiders competing as of now. I think the Jets are a better option than these teams. Pitts already benched him before, Titans and Giants have top 3 picks to get a highly rated QB in the draft (Cam or Sanders), and I do think we are a better option than the Raiders. We do have decent OL and #1 WR, who happens to be his friend from Ohio st. We can get Dart I guess, but he is rated far below the other two and I don't think Dart is a threat to Fields in the immediate future. So, we have a good shot if we want him.

    But there may be more openings if say the Saints or the Rams move off of their QBs. Rams would definitely be an attractive option. And even the Saints too. Kellen Moore could pitch that he could make Fields into a Hurts. I don't know. I would definitely call Fields the second tampering window opens and get him committed right away like we did Simpson last year :)
     
  12. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    https://hub.bovada.lv/sports/footba...-do-different-things-to-get-different-things/

     
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  13. Borat

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    Josina Anderson has been pretty spot on so far. Now, Tyrod has supporters in the building, which does make sense. Tyrod is a good player. He may even be a better passer than Fields at this stage. But the guy can't last, he cannot be #1 option to start. And I could see someone in the Jets building liking Tyrod, who was very popular. But that does not mean Mooge and AG like him to be a day 1 starter.

    Note, she says "I’m not guaranteeing anything about any player’s status. I’m telling you about some sentiments that do exist in that building." And it's understandable that a sentiment of some people with a popular QB already on the roster is that they like him. But that does not mean QB1. I for one would be very happy with Fields, Tyrod, and Travis QB room.
     
  14. BrowningNagle

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    Taylor has some skills and is a good leader but he doesn’t take any chances. He will check down all game, it will get old eventually but maybe fine in the interim
     

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