Arthur Smith is one of those guys I mentioned a couple pages back that is just the worst case scenario in this hiring cycle. He’s like the tenth best choice and is only a season removed from running a failing operation. His offense also nosedived at the end of this season. So naturally I can see why we’re gravitating towards him.
He is good, but overrated. Take a look at his record without Brady. It sucks! Then take a look at Brady's record without him, and that is in past his prime Brady too. Then take a look at Arians record without Brady and then with Brady. Brady made both of these solid coaches look a lot better than they are, he just had more time with Belichick. Belichick is a solid defensive coach, nothing more and nothing less, who won the lottery when he stumbled into Brady in the 6h round of the draft.
That picture looks like it was created by Midjourney. It looks real when I zoom in, but I swear that gives me mega AI pic vibes. Utterly soul-less.
Let's not overestimate Sam in his 3d year and Rodgers in his 21st. These were not great QBs. Sam I think would have done better if he had a good OL and better offensive weapons than Perriman, but JD failed him. Rodgers with Saleh was as shell of his former self. And Gase and Saleh sucked too, don't take me wrong, but they did not have great QBs, that is a fact. This is certainly not comparable to prime Rodgers behind a good OL to protect him. With all that said, I would take McCarthy in a heartbeat. While an argument can be made he underachieved with Rodgers, he did develop Rodgers, who was a late 1st round pick, not exactly a generational QB prospect, and he did win the SB. MLF who took over didn't, even though he did have a better regular season record. I do think Mike did well with Cowboys. He even won a play-off game, and while Dak is a good QB, he is not great, so overall a solid performance by Mike in Dallas. Looks like they wanted to keep him too but could not agree on the # of years extension.
So people now rationalize McCarthy under achieved with his record, mostly due to QB play, with a record we have not sniffed in a lifetime, but they want Flores instead? Based on what? I certainly wouldn’t put him in a pedestal with Andy Reid, but he had a pretty good go with Dak at QB too, a QB I wouldn’t call top of the line. I’m not ready to make him the top choice, but he is far better than many we have been interviewing. I still hold hope for Monken, Kingsbury or Spagnuolo or Glenn.
Hiring Flores over someone respected like Mccarthy is so Woody like and will be Dejavu all over again, remember when Woody hired that guy Gase who had limited coaching experience and had limited Success in Miami as well over Mccarthy, how did that work out? This is a guy who told Tua he is a pussy and doesn't belong in the Nfl, shows how much he knows about Quarterbacks.
How? Honestly what makes you feel this way? This guy went and sued the league crying racism for not getting the Giants job. The Giants loved him but obviously needed an offensive coach to help Daniel Jones. He alienated his rookie QB and ended on bad terms with just about his entire staff. He has a losing record and never made the playoffs. His MIN defense is solid, not world beaters. He’s quite literally the worst candidate out there and would absolutely blow his fuse under the scrutiny of NY.
Flores alienated his QBs (not just Tua, but Fitz spoke out as well), his staff, his owner, his mentor, the League, other teams that he sued... Who would even want to work under his leadership now? As a HC, especially defensive one, you need to have major connections. He burnt a lot of bridges. That's a big deal. Yes, Glenn does not have experience, and he is not my favorite candidate, but he is fresh, has good leadership skills, has connections around NFL, and is well liked. There is a big contrast there when they have to build and likely rebuild their staff over the years when their OCs get poached. Flores is just not in position to do it after he gained his awful reputation. It's way too much risk. Between these two, Glenn hands down, and it's not even close.
I do think the whole lawsuit thing is going to result in his being passed over a couple times. But I can't blame somebody for trying to expose the current sham of coach hiring. And I do think he wasn't treated fairly in Miami. While he was in Miami I felt he brought toughness and discipline to the team. It's not like the new offensive whizkid coach has done significantly better even after they went and got maybe the best receiving pair in the league for him. In my opinion he's worth a shot - at the very least, worth an interview where they ask him exactly the questions you raised and see how accountable and clear he can be.
I'm kinda wary of the newness aspect. Rookie coaches seem to often make rookie mistakes. For every McVay there are like 50 hotshot coordinators who become one-and-done failed coaches. Patsies crashed and burned HARD going this route (and it was delicious ). I had such high hopes for Bowles, Saleh etc. Glenn is the current defensive hotness, but these other guys got the job before because they were the hotness at the time. I would seriously consider a once-fired HC and try to figure out if he learned something in the couple of years he has been out. Not saying Flores, but there must be plenty of such coaches. I mean Bowles seems to have learned how to manage an offense from working under Arians
So dramatic. He's not even close to the worst candidate out there. He led the Dolphins to back to back winning seasons for the first time in almost 20 years when they were a trainwreck franchise. He's a disciplinarian and that's exactly what this team needs.
So the most agreed upon choice in this thread is giant f-no to Arthur Smith. So, Arthur Smith it is then
Well, to his credit, instead of taking an easy, well paid job from his daddy at FedEx, he went out and made his own mark in the NFL.
The guy sued the NFL for racism because he didn’t get a job and I’m the one being dramatic? I’d hire Ron Rivera before hiring Flores.
Here’s the list of HC candidates we’ve interviewed: Ron Rivera (1/2) Mike Vrabel (1/3) Rex Ryan (1/7) Matt Nagy (1/8) Aaron Glenn (1/9) Mike Locksley (1/10) Steve Spagnuola (1/10) Darren Rizzi (1/11) Jeff Ulbrich (1/13) This is about the ugliest list of HC interviews you can conjure up. Please explain to me how we don’t even consider McCarthy or Carroll with this list of clowns.
