At this juncture who the QB is next year is almost irrelevant. If we don’t hit a home run with the GM and more importantly the HC we will be in living hell irrespective of QB for the next three years. If we hit, they will figure it out soon enough, if Woody lets-them do their damned job that is.
but if you don't have a decent QB position then you won't get any serious HC interested in the role - they aren't stupid and know that a very big proportion of their success or failure is going to come down to who is under centre - there is a reason Harbaugh went to the Chargers when there would've been a load of teams interested in him and it is called Justin Herbert, Nobody who has a good reputation is going to come into an organisation with a QB that is ranked in the 20s and with nothing behind him after next season as they know they will struggle and most likely be getting fired in due course and being branded a failure - look at our recent coaches - of the last 5 the only one that has had any kind of career post-Jets is Todd Bowles and that required him to take a DC role and then get lucky with Arians retiring.
How did you determine Aaron Rodgers is a sub-Top 20 quarterback for next season? Statistically, that's simply inaccurate.
He’s 20th in quarterback rating, 25th in QBR depending on your favorite flavor. 34th in completion percentage. What makes you think he’s playing well?
So what are you saying, you want another 4 win season with a "rookie"? Or a rookie could have hypothetically produced 4 wins? What rookie QB? Who would we have drafted to produce that. Do you want a Bridge? And who is that Bridge? Are we drafting another QB? Who do you like in the draft that will be there from 8-10? Like all I've heard is the reasons not to run it back, but what are the options? I see where you're coming from, but there is no guarantee that we will see more of the same...ARod can still sling it man. I think the bigger question is, what if we do indeed run it back and have success. Make it to the playoffs Now where are we... I'd prefer that, than the other options...Thats the re-run we've been watching for the past 20 years.
Need a fresh start. There's too much that Rodgers brings with him for me to want him to kick off a new regime and mentor a rookie QB, even if for 1 year. I'd much rather have Tyrod, maybe swing in free agency for the next veteran backup reclamation (i.e. Justin Fields) and draft a QB. The stats are good and this team's record is certainly not just Rodgers' fault, but he hasn't seemed like a winning player and want the stank of him gone. And I'd be shocked if he's back. Really wish we could see Tyrod with this group in non-garbage time though that the O looked competent there, even if basically exhibition was noteworthy
And Mahomes is 16th in quarterback rating. So maybe that isn't a dispositive statistic? Watching the games. I think Rodgers has been a league-average QB all season. Statics back up that conclusion. The offensive line is just as bad as it was last year (and the year before that), only now the team still moves the ball. The offense is not the problem; it's average. The problem is the defense and has been all season. EDIT: I should have wrote, "The passing offense is not the problem." Our ability to run the ball has been dogshit all season.
If I am saying he is ranked in the 20s (which he is - 25th on QBR and the NFL had him ranked 22nd) and even you trying to defend him are saying he is "league average" which would be what? 16th? feel like you're splitting hairs here - plus you have to factor in another year older. And to be clear I don't think Rodgers is that bad but the fact is he will play maybe one more year so nobody is going to come in as the HC on that basis unless the whole team was looking good and this was a "last hurrah" with a shot at a SB and I can't see anyone thinking that.
What is the "too much" that Rodgers brings with him? Explain it to me like I'm five. How does one "seem" like a winning player? Could you be more specific? I mean, the team lost more than it won this year, so that's one way to quantify it ... but it's also a team sport, so presumably win/loss record (alone) can't be the sole determining factor. What is the "stank of him" that you describe? DIFFICULTY: You can't reply with some version of, "The media said X," or "We have all these media reports about Y."
So you think Patrick Mahomes is the 16th best quarterback in the league (definitionally, league-average because there are 32 starting QBs) because of his passing rating, right?
did you read my post? I said "a QB who is ranked in the 20s" - is he ranked in the 20s or not? edit: the point is we do not have an attractive QB situation for anyone coming in new to this organisation - I don't see how that is arguable.
In one single specific category. Another single specific category ranks Patrick Mahomes (the best QB in the league) 16th. Maybe you have to examine a body of work and all of the statistical categories in totality to conclude whether or not a person has been statistically good, average, or bad? I disagree. I think we have an average quarterback situation for any veteran coach who wants to be championship-competitive in season one. I use Parcells as the gold standard - there is no doubt in my mind he'd come in here and say, "Yes, I can win a Super Bowl in 2025 with Aaron Rodgers (and Taylor as the backup)." Rex would, too. That doesn't make it an accurate assessment (on the part of Parcells or Rex), but it still wouldn't make the job any less attractive to them. Most importantly, who is the more attractive alternative? Tyrod Taylor? Jordan Travis? Quinn Ewers? Justin Fields (who would be on his third team in five years and never won more than five games in a season)?
I do agree with you that Rodgers baggage stuff being overrated. To me, I don't see any baggage if he agrees to learn new system and takes a pay-cut. I just want to make sure we get the best QB that we can get for next year though. QBR is just one point of reference. It's best to look at multiple sources. PFF has Rodgers as 18, QBR 25th, passer rating 89 with 0 mobility and there are a few others in similar range. So, objectively overall Rodgers is below average QB, probably at around 21-22 range. We also have to consider he will be a year older and that OL needs to be good for him to be in that range. There is still another game left, but as of right now it tough to make a case to justify keeping him. That last game with Olu out was rather brutal. Mobility is really important. Alternatives like you said are not great. But Fields while never won before this year, did have a good record for Pitts: 4-2. Russ's winning % is actually worse: 6-4. This is not to say Fields is amazing, but he is one of few decent alternatives I see for a QB next year. I think having Fields/Tyrod/Jordan as the 3 QBs next year to battle it out would not be a terrible situation.
Pretty much all of the players and coaches he wanted have made the team worse. For example, Nate Hackett may be the worst coach in football. Lazard has the worst hands in football. There's plenty of smoke about drama with him and the best player and franchise building block on this team. They're 4 and freaking 13 with him as a starter. Certainly not all his fault but he has not once led them on a game winning drive. He's reliably come up short in big situations. To me he has a tendency to point fingers subtley or not so subtly at teammates and often when he should be taking more responsibility. He's also an easier cut in 25' vs. 26'.
The stank of the fact our young star players are grumbling anout leaving the team. He’s the captain, he’s the leader, he’s the guy that’s supposed to keep the team together. Yet it seems like they’re all trying to get away from him.
