this is the most accurate assessment. since D-Rob can play both, i don't see them using that first pick on a DE. i think they'll find someone in the next three picks that can play DE, while continuing to use D-Rob as NT and DE. it kind of sucks because you'd like to kill two birds with one stone by just drafting a NT and moving D-Rob over, but in reality we need both even though D-Rob can play both. because of all versatility Mangini demands, i have no freakin' clue who we're drafting. cheers
He is not. Here's how teams ran against us in the 2nd half of the season: 11/12 17-14 W at NE 143 yards 11/19 0-10 L CHI 173 yards 11/26 26-11 W HOU 25 yards (the exception that proves the rule) 12/03 38-10 W at GB 149 yards 12/10 13-31 L BUF 174 yards 12/17 26-13 W at MIN 62 yards 12/25 13-10 W at MIA 124 yards 12/31 23-3 W OAK 88 yards 1/7 37-16 L at NE 158 yards A true NT could only improve these numbers next year. And if Mangini thinks he can make a DE out of Robertson, I'd like to see what he can do before making a judgment. Otherwise, he might have good trade value.
It would be a pretty tall order to move DRob and get value back - but if we could I would in a heartbeat. My concern is his knee condition. There are really two scenarios here that would be a big hindrance to the Jets: a)he continues his improvement and becomes the versatile DE/DT that can be envisioned in a perfect world. While this would be a wonderful thing it would also boost his bargaining power considerably. While I doubt he could ask for more than he is making right now - would it be wise to invest in a player with a condition like he has? b)he doesn't turn into the player a sunshiner would envision and thus sits on our roster with his albatross of a contract. It would really be a coup to move him - which is why I think best case scenario is to let him play out his contract while making it an immediate priority to find his replacement. When his contract is up let someone else take on that knee problem(regardless of how great he has developed).
another scenario: he continues improving and plays through the knee-condition for the next 5-6 years. obviously, that's what we all want, but i don't know how likely it is. they seems very hushed about the knee; we never hear about it, so i wonder if it's bothering him less or if it's something they just ignore because it's always there and will always be there. cheers
Yeah the main reason that Belichik (and Mangini) like the 3-4 is because the basic alignment has the fewest possible people committed with their hands on the ground at the snap. That allows 8 people to be potentially anywhere as the play develops. That's why it's such a good defense against the west coast, which attacks a fairly shallow but wide strip of territory close to the line of scrimmage. It's also a good defense against power rushing attacks because you can more easily disguise a linebacker's rush blitz if he starts a few yards behind the line of scrimmage and if there are two guys back there in the middle. You do need bigger linemen and bigger linebackers than in a 4-3 though because anybody could potentially wind up with a 330 lb hoss to deal with on any down and situation.
100% right. The height of the DE's and OLB's is one key to success in the true 3-4--New England's perimeter front seven players have been 6'4" or taller for this run, and every year they have drafted these type of guys to add to the depth. Filling the passing lanes is part of how they pressure the QB. In that type of D, DeWayne is a much better fit at NT than at DE, and he played well as the year went on. The position change that makes sense for the Jets is Hobson to ILB.
Anyone who questions whether or not we should move forward with DRob as our NT need only look back at Justin Fargas's performance in week 17, the week we were playing for our playoff berth. The Raiders we absolutely aweful, yet they were still able to make us sweat, because they were running all over us.
The only thing that makes me skeptial of this is that if we could do this, why did DRob not switch to end when Rashad Moore was getting snaps at NT?
Just a guess here, but I would think they needed those snaps where Moore was in to give DRob a breather. If there was more depth at NT and/or they trusted Moore to play more at NT than he was previously, maybe they could have played Moore/DRob at the same time.
Our 2nd half resurgence didn't include good D against the run, we need to stop the run if we are to become a great team.
If the JETS want the 3-4 to succeed it starts up front and they need big bodies. Moving Robertson to end is smart as long as there NT is capable of getting the job done.
A lot of people said the same thing about Dwight Freeney coming out of college as well. If he can get to the QB, he'll be fine. It's worth trying...
Cool news actually. The D line play really was a weak spot of the team. I have to agree that for the Jets to be an elite team changes are going to have to be made. As anyone with reasonable intelligence can see Mangini is going to create a team that is going to kick ass in the trenches. That is awesome news, good lines can typically hide a teams weakness's as opposed to the other way around. IMO.
DRob is like a grounding rod for critisism. So many people mention Wilfork when talking about the NT position... Wilfork is the best 3-4 NT in the NFL, and it isn't even close. To say we need a guy like him, well, there is only one Wilfork, and he plays for the Pats. I also think DRob gets far too much blame for the overall run defense. Kimo was just awful this year, but he largley seems to fly under the critisism radar. Another weakness in out run D that gets overlooked is our ILB's. Barton and Vilma are good, Vilma even very good, but they have a big weakness in this defensive scheme.... they don't shed blocks very well. Yes, it's the NT's job to HELP keep helmets off the ILB's, but they need to also improve in shedding blocks as well. I also think that with Rhodes, Coleman isn't a complimentary player with him at safety. We could use a big hitter back there that can help more in run support. Bringing a safety up also means we need an improvement at CB. Bottom line, DRob gets too much blame, probably based on his draft position, and yeah, Bradway's trade up to get him. Sure, it would be nice to upgrade at NT, but Wilforks don't grow on trees either.
lets not forget...we drafted pouha....we still dont know what this kids got with that injury and all...we may already have the answer on the roster...id rather see them go out and sign a FA DT to compete with pouha, than to invest a pick in the draft on a DT....i think the jets should draft in the area of RB though
