CC, stay man, we need you. Your voice of reason is a breath of fresh air in this stink called te JETS...
I think we've gotta separate playcalling/offensive operations stuff from personnel moves here. AR should have a large role in how the offense is run. He should not have a large role in personnel moves.
Thanks. Yeah, even if I turn down my attention on the Jets to low simmer, I'll still be checking in here regularly. Misery loves company, right? LOL!
Should he? I mean it's not 2020/21. The aging out Aaron Rodgers throwing for 215 yards a game and with half as many picks as TDs isn't a "great" QB anymore. And that's assuming he can replicate 2022 after a sitting out a full year and playing behind what likely ends up being a worse overall supporting cast. The reality floor at 41yo might be even lower. There is no version of 2024 where we come out ahead with AR having a large role that includes his insistence we keep the worst OC in the league. Just further alienating Breece doing that, and the guy the 2024 offense should ideally be running through.
But it doesn't matter what you or I, or anyone outside the organization, thinks is real or made up - we can wonder but it won't matter in the slightest. There are real problems inside that must be addressed. Every minute spent searching for a mole is a minute less spent addressing real problems. No reporter has ever affected the outcome of an NFL football game. Denying every problem but digging for who had loose lips is a fool's errand. I don't see anything "obviously left out." Address the very real problems; ignore the diversions and distractions.
Please support your claim of the BS. I would have expected the rest of the New York sports journalism cadre to have exposed it by now if what you say is true.
I dont want him doing either. Rodgers is not focused enough on his craft for either. As someone else said, this offense should run creatively through Breece Hall next year. The respected running backs coach leaves his post, likely because he sees the writing on the wall. The Jets have a great, dedicated RB that he coaches. But they are going to put everything in the hands of a 40/41 year old QB who wants to play an outdated style and puts only half effort towards it
He should get lynched! Jets fans with season's tickets and PSLs should be calling and writing raising hell with the Jets. Fans should stay from games in droves and stop buying team gear, but we know that won't happen, especially since the Jets are returning to the throwback unis full time. The media should continue to crucify Woody as should Jets fans in the media. I think if he gets embarrassed enough he will grow tired of it and sell the team.
You're right! I was one of the dumbasses that wanted Rodgers. I thought that would fix all of the Jets ills. I didn't realize that would bring Hackett and a bunch of Rodgers' cronies, but once it did, I was naive enough to think that it would all work out. I've never been more wrong.
Woody will do the same thing he did last time. He'll wait and let JD run the draft, and then fire him and hire the new GM after FA and the draft have already happened.
AR is the reason we can come out ahead while keeping the worst OC in the league. If Rodgers doesn't have a large role it's a disaster. He should have the largest role possible to reduce the impact of Hackett.
and I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think you both made some excellent points. Woody, JD and Saleh are clowns, but Rodgers is a clown for wanting to bring Hackett to the Jets because they are friends and Hackett lets Rodgers do whatever he wants. That is unprofessional, selfish, and immature. Particularly with all that has come out about Hackett's incompetence, Rodgers could/should have told Hackett that his work this past season was a fireable offense and let him know that he was going to have to give Woody and JD permission to fire Hackett. If Rodgers truly cares about the Jets and winning, he should do that. I think that his ego won't let him. He wants to be the hero that overcomes all of that BS and leads the Jets to victory so he can throw that in the Packers and the media's faces. If he doesn't give the OK for Hackett and Saleh to be fired, I hope that Rodgers stays healty but plays like dogshit the whole season and the team goes 0-17, so that he, Woody, Saleh, and JD are ALL run out of town and made the laughingstock of the NFL.
Exactly! Just because we hire a new OC and HC doesn't mean that the offense wouldn't be tailored to what Rodgers does well and likes.
Again, the problem there lies in the fact that you don't project out performance or win games in 2024 based on what a guy was once capable of doing a few years back while playing in Green Bay. Rodgers is not that QB anymore. We already saw that in 2022. Where we are now going to just be subtracting a lot more then gets added from that 2022 success equation. No LaFleur, likely to be a worse offensive line protecting him, worse surrounding team culture, being 2 years older, ect ect Keeping Hackett in combination with a continued state of denial on the above is essentially just cooking up the same recipe that created 2023 Jimmy G. *THAT* is type of QB a 41yo AR realistically is today, and that is the most likely reality based ball park projection outcome on the table here imo if you trot him out there next year without a better supporting cast/plan that doesn't include a new OC.
In my view, here are the problems with sticking with a stooge like Hackett who's here only because he's a yes-man for Rodgers: 1. Aging athletes are often delusional about their skills. They think they can still do the things they did 10 years ago. Think of the aging pitcher who gets rocked because he thinks he can still blow his fastball by batters. An OC must design schemes and call plays that allow the QB to do what he still does best while avoiding what he can no longer do (even if the QB thinks he can still do it). In other words, he has to be able to say "No" to the aging QB. 2. An OC must design schemes and call plays to take advantage of the skills of the entire offense, not just pad the stats of the QB. For example, maybe that means relying on Breece Hall more than Rodgers would like. 3. The kind of OC the Jets need would certainly give Rodgers a considerable say on the offense and play-calling, but he wouldn't be a rubber stamp and would place the team above his boy. I doubt that Hackett fills the bill.
I make more of a parallel to Rodgers being that aging out and past his prime UFC fighter or main event boxer you are trotting out there on the sell of his name value. The fighter themselves stubbornly believe they can still fight at the highest level. Th fans desperately want to believe they can still fight at the highest level simply because it makes for a more exciting fight possibility. But in the end it's really just all just about pumping up the hype and ppv buys. None of the former is reality based and the fight almost always disappoints because of that. As is this and with no coaching changes this AR led offense will be top out to be as good as Vegas was this year with Jimmy G. At best, and with a lower floor. Just insert more GW complaining about it's failures in place of Adams this year. Book that.
There's a great assumption often asserted that Rodgers demanded that Hackett be hired, and/or that Hackett is the only OC he'll work with. Does anyone have any hard proof of this? Serious question. AFAIK, Rodgers' driving motivation is winning, above loyalty or anyone/anything else, so that makes me question that assumption that he won't work with anyone but Hackett. If this "Rodgers Demand" exists, does anyone have a copy of it?
