Saleh admits to terrible planning

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Saleh doesn't assemble the roster, Joe Douglas does. Joe Douglas is the one that messed up by not having a decent backup QB

    Saleh just has to talk to the media every week. That fat clown Douglas only does it like twice a year. SO I have some respect for Saleh for taking that heat and acknowledging he wishes they did things differently
     
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  2. Jets79

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    Yeah in general I don’t disagree…the Chiefs without Mahomes, the Bengals without Burrow (which we will get to see now), etc. Agreed…they won’t be great. Would they be passable? Likely not but we’ll see.

    But that’s not the point here.

    The point here is that (a) they seriously miscalculated “worst possible scenario”, but REGARDLESS of that, they didn’t make ANY moves while there WERE moves that COULD have been made if they hadn’t been so fixated on Zach…on playing him, on not shattering his apparently incredible delicate ego, etc.

    There were any number of options in the offseason, from spending money on White instead of Cook or signing any number of other potential backups…and then once the season went the way it did, we STILL did nothing. And then at the trading deadline, when we could have made a play for someone like Dobbs or Brissett…neither of whom are great world beaters for sure, but both of whom have shown they are better than Zach…we STILL did nothing.

    It’s not like we TRIED to trade for a QB and were turned down, it’s not like we actually brought in anybody and saw they sucked like a Foles or a Wentz…no. They did NOTHING outside of going to get Simien and then keep him on the practice squad.

    It’s incredibly confusing, because it’s pretty clear that while we have a LOT of issues on offense, not just Zach…it IS clear that Zach can’t overcome the issues. No way to know if anyone else could…but to not even TRY is confusing.

    Either JD or Saleh or both are blind to this (which I doubt), or ALL other options were CLEARLY worse (which may be true for Boyle or Simien, who they DO see but not true for other potentials like Dobbs or Brissett), or else there is something else at play here (cough…Woody…cough). Who knows

    But it sure does sound like we made damn sure our other options in Boyle and Simien were clearly no upgrade to Zach so that Saleh can stand at the podium week after putrid week where we can’t get first downs, we can move the ball, we can’t score TDs, and we have the 30th/31st worst rated QB in the league, and let Saleh say that hey…this piece of shit QB gives us the best chance to win.

    Utterly bullshit the way this has been handled.
     
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  3. Yankee6

    Yankee6 Well-Known Member

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    I believe we would have with an average backup. Alot of teams are winning games with unheard of backups this year.
     
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  4. dmw

    dmw Well-Known Member

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    Agreed
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The Patriots were just fine in 2008. The Steelers went 8-8 with Rudolph and Duck Hodges (were 0-2 before Ben got hurt) in 2019. The Saints were 5-0 without Brees in 2019. The Cowboys were 4-1 with Cooper Rush last year. The Vikings are the 7 seed right now.

    In principle, I agree. Given the early nature of the injury, it’s devastating to the Jets and the roster. But I don’t think it’s insurmountable to win some games and be respectable.

    We’re not even respectable right now. We’ve been putscored 75-24 over the past three weeks and it’s hard to see it getting any better. WE HAVE 9 offensive touchdowns in ten games.

    None of those teams that lost their starting QB were that epically bad.
     
  6. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    If the replacement played like Zach Wilson... then certainly not.
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I mean worse case scenario is the teams plane goes down and the franchise is wiped out but the likely hood of that happening is near 0. you can't plan for an apocalypse like situation.
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    even with slightly better play in different times in the NFL we already seen it in 1999. from superbowl hopefuls to missing the playoffs and starting 3Qbs. I don't remember fans ever being this mad over not having a better backup then
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    dobbs won 1 game with the cards and 1 game with the vikes.
    tyrod won 0 or 1? devito won 1 for the giants
    browning won 0
    DTR won 1
    AOC won 1
     
  10. dmw

    dmw Well-Known Member

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    Especially if the elite QB was the de facto offensive play caller and your backup QB stinks and your OC stinks and your head coach doesn't know how to coach offense.
     
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  11. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    And Parcells changed QB's until he found one that could play.
    If he had gone to Lucas sooner the Jets probably make the playoffs.
     
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    And they all play the position better than Zach Wilson.
     
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  13. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    were talking about recently though. Qb talent is down across the NFL. offense is lowest it's been in over a decade. 10-15 years ago was different time.
    vikes are 1-1 since losing their starting QB, browns are 1-2 with backups? maybe 2-1. bengals are 0-1 essentially. the 2019 saints is probably the best example but obviously on an overall it's rare. just because brady was a 5th rounder the chances of that happening again are slim to none
     
  14. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yes he did. he also changed the offense to fit lucas skill set of shit arm but can run. wasn't a lot of mobile Qbs back then either
    our refusal to change the offense to fit the players is really a back breaker
    hopefully they change it to fit boyle so it's watchable but it's going to be all short stuff
     
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  15. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yup. the colts when form a 10+ win team and playoffs 9 years straight to 2-14 and worst team just from losing manning. and everyone understood and the fans weren't pissed about not having a better backup
     
  16. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I’m talking about when Matt Cassell replaced him and went 11-5.
     
  17. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I know but that was almost 20 years ago and they missed the playoffs with 11 wins somehow. football was different back then and teams hid Qbs well.
     
  18. Yankee6

    Yankee6 Well-Known Member

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    DTR won 1 out of 2. Dobbs won 2 out of 3. Not sure what your point is. They havent won every game they have been in?
     
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  19. NJJets

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    So if Saleh wanted to give the kid a redshirt year then why is he not the #3? Let him sit and learn the entire time. Why make him #2? There were many far better options. They just didn’t want to kill his pride making him the scout team QB. They treat this kid like a delicate little flower, probably because he is
     
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  20. Yankee6

    Yankee6 Well-Known Member

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    AND they didnt want to admit their 2nd pick is a bust. So now they make it even worse by giving him chance after chance just praying he will become worthy of that pick.
     
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