Zach and the 2-minute drill

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  1. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    I want to direct this specifically to those feel that Zach is great in the two minute drill, and that “look what happened as soon as they took the shackles off”

    I understand where this narrative comes from since he’s performed pretty well in such situations, but do you honestly think that’s because he does better under pressure or is it because the defense completely changes in those times? Do you feel that if the Jets ran a two minute drill in the middle of the second quarter, Wilson would suddenly blossom into a much better quarterback?

    And I’d like to specifically discuss the last 24 seconds this past Sunday. Credit for hitting the receivers and getting the job done, but I can’t personally laud him for a great performance because the defense was giving the Jets the middle of the field since they had no time left. The Jets got lucky, it wasn’t so much that Zach was so clutch. My opinion of course.

    In a general sense, why do you feel that he would do well in a standard two minute drill, or do you not feel that way? Discuss.
     
  2. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    I think it’s a combination of a lot of things. I think the defense changes but the Helter Skelter style of the two minute offense plays right into his strength. He can run around like a chicken with his head cut off extending the play outside of the pocket and when that happens Everyone else is improvising. He just has to find the open guy, it’s not about timing it’s not about reading the defense, it’s pure chaos, he just has to get the ball where it needs to be and when that’s all he’s thinking about he can do it. Problem is that’s not sustainable through 60 minutes.

    or… it’s quick throws and he doesn’t have time to misread a defense. That’s the sustainable part. But again you can’t do that all game unless you’re Tom Brady.
     
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    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    So you basically summarized my point more succinctly than I was able to. He can’t read defenses well, so when they back off and he doesn’t have to he does much better.

    Clearly, he does better on the run in a general sense but I don’t even think that’s the full story. He does well from the pocket when the defense backs off and gives him plays i.e. late in the 2nd and 4th quarters.
     
  4. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Because there was only 24 seconds and the Jets had no timeouts the defense was giving him the middle of the field

    it was pure luck that an offsides call and a botched setting of the ball by the referees allowed the Jets to get a FG off, and they barely made it
     
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  5. BroadwayAaron

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    You're talking about one game and neither of those things make a difference when talking about the way he executed on the field. This isn't a new concept, people have said for going on three years now that Wilson is at his best when he's rolling out and extending the play with his feet. When you have guys like GW, Breece and yes Lazard who is very good at improvising late in the play, it makes all the sense in the world. Why we don't intentionally incorporate designed rollouts into the gameplan more often is mind-boggling to me. I feel like we only see rollouts that are designed to pick up two years with a pass to Conklin.
     
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    JetsKickAss Well-Known Member

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    I don't necessarily think he will do "well" in the 2-minute offense or rolling out left or right.

    I just think he looks MUCH BETTER than when he does a straight drop-back. He's TERRIBLE in those situations whereas when he is moving or playing hurry-up he is a bit better than average. But by comparison, it looks LIGHT-YEARS better than the straight drop-backs.

    When Zach rolls out, it takes 10-15 yards for the DL to reach him as opposed to 5-7 yards when he goes back to pass. He has a bit more time and everything is scrambled which evens the odds a bit for us.
     
  7. jets_fan

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    I think it's more the way the defenses play those situations than anything else. We've seen time and time again over the past three years (although he's been better at it this season) where Wilson has used his legs to extend the play only to be met with disastrous results, whether it be a ridiculously bad sack or an interception that leaves you scratching your head trying to figure out just who he was throwing it to.
     
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    Because when he rolls out he rolls backwards. They've called plenty of them the last 3 years and most of the time its ugly
     
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    When Zach is losing by one score in the waning minutes, he has nothing to lose by making a mistake. That's huge. The shackles don't come off through play-calling. They come off his own brain when he has nothing to lose to by messing up.
     
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  10. GasedAndConfused

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    it's a combination. sure the D changes and plays more towards the sidelines leaving the middle more vulnerable but the other side isn't so much the "hurry up" or the "d" it's that his main goal right now is to not throw INTs. thats clearly the coaching plan. don't turn it over and let the D put us in position for points to make it easy on the offense. When it's "do or die" the INT no longer matters so he can be less safe with the ball. it's worked in our favor quite a bit lately but over time would likely cause a lot more INts as well.
     
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    To be fair if there was no penalty they probably spike the ball with 7 or 8 seconds left and have a shot at a 63 yard field goal or a short pass out of bounds.

    Obviously unlikely it works but the whole thing was unlikely and it worked.

    Also if the WR went down immediately the spike isn't as close either but I think he was aiming for the TD there which was risky but might have been worth it.
     
  12. IDFjet

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    Interesting analysis and conclusion
     

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