Does Defense Still Wins Championships?

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Brook!, Feb 13, 2023.

  1. Brook!

    Brook! Soft Admin...2018 Friendliest Member Award Winner

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    18,934
    With new rules geared towards helping Offense score as many points as possible, not sure if we can change the claim to “Offense wins Championships”

    That said a good offense has 3 elements.

    A good QB - Jets have none
    A good OL - We are average at best
    Good skill players - We are good there with G.Wilson and B.Hall

    Hope Jets can get a good QB and fix OL to catch up with changing times
     
    westiedog1 and Patriot like this.
  2. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    9,741
    Likes Received:
    9,451
    It makes you wonder how much you should pay for an interior lineman like Quinnen Williams. He's a very good player coming off an excellent year but I wouldn't blow up the cap for him. Why? Because defense doesn't win championships any more.
     
    Centiment likes this.
  3. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,239
    Likes Received:
    9,930
    The Chiefs D held the Eagles to 11 points in the second half. The Bucs D held the Chiefs to 9 in the Super Bowl two years ago. The Pats and Rams were tied at 3 for a while in the Super Bowl four years ago. Defense still matters, but an above average offense is needed to reach the big game.
     
  4. Jedi mind tricks

    Jedi mind tricks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2011
    Messages:
    2,291
    Likes Received:
    2,548
    Jets have had good defenses in my lifetime. Nothing to show for it. In today's NFL the other team will break through sooner or later no matter how good a defense plays.
     
    REVISion and ColoradoContrails like this.
  5. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    12,821
    You need a semblance of balance, but Yes it does.... unless it's the screen name of toolbags on internet message boards
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    34,186
    Likes Received:
    33,446
    Balance, good QB play and a good playoff pass rush is generally what wins championships.
     
    stinkyB likes this.
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    53,124
    Likes Received:
    25,247
    Referees win championships.
     
  8. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    14,518
    Likes Received:
    21,736
    For the past 20 years that saying has been outdated. The NFL recognized that most fans want lots of points scored and so changed/tweaked the rules, and told the refs to "help" the offenses, especially the QB. Unfortunately the Jets either didn't get the memo or ignored it.

    Defense is important of course, especially in big games, but there is no such thing as a "shut down defense" any more. A "can't shut down offense" is more important.
     
    REVISion and westiedog1 like this.
  9. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    12,821
    Denver and Seattle disagree with your take....
     
  10. KWJetsFan

    KWJetsFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2010
    Messages:
    14,174
    Likes Received:
    4,718
    This made me think of the Rex Ryan defenses. Really good 90% of the time but the other 10% of the time was them choking at the worst possible times.
     
    NY Jets68 likes this.
  11. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    27,121
    Likes Received:
    21,495
    Gotta have both in my opinion.

    And you need a really good head coach to really seal the deal.
     
    burf likes this.
  12. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2022
    Messages:
    2,310
    Likes Received:
    3,326
    You can turn a defense around in one season. We do it time and time again. Offense takes skill and intelligence from the FO, something we’ve lacked since the ice ages.
     
  13. Patriot

    Patriot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,227
    Likes Received:
    626
    Brook sorry to sound like Captain Obvious, but all three aspects of the game offense, defense, and special teams matter.

    One could argue the Chiefs were good in all three aspects for example.
     
  14. Losmeister

    Losmeister Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2011
    Messages:
    4,490
    Likes Received:
    3,050
    yourn scorn mowr pernts n theirn wins champeenchips
     
    ukjetsfan, Acad23 and Nyjets4eva like this.
  15. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    27,121
    Likes Received:
    21,495
    Couldn't have said it better meself... :p
     
    Centiment likes this.
  16. ConcordeChops

    ConcordeChops 2018 International Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2010
    Messages:
    7,016
    Likes Received:
    5,460
    Defenses can win you championships if you can get them off the field occasionally.

    Run, run, pass, punt rarely helps.
     
  17. Jets69

    Jets69 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    4,995
    Likes Received:
    3,575
    Sounds like this is a cry out for a certain poster, to come back to the forum!
     
  18. KY Jets Fan

    KY Jets Fan Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 15, 2013
    Messages:
    7,213
    Likes Received:
    13,172


    You need both but I would argue having an elite offense and a solid-good defense is a better recipe for a championship in this day and age.
     
  19. Brook!

    Brook! Soft Admin...2018 Friendliest Member Award Winner

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    18,934
    Oh no. He is a celebrity on Twitter now. Going after Connor Hughes. We are all spared thank God. :)
     
    ColoradoContrails likes this.
  20. Donttasemebro

    Donttasemebro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2008
    Messages:
    1,573
    Likes Received:
    1,002
    fuck that guy...he's off making an ass of himself on twitter now. worse than ever.
     
    Savatage likes this.

Share This Page