we didnt have the backs to run the ball that way. i think over this offseason we will see more tinkering with the O Line, and a featured back. that will help us with the ball. i really want BS here FOR clemens. he did a great job with brees, he mentored rivers, helped to get chad back up to speed. hes really good with QBs...and i want him here to help groom the could be future QB of the franchise.
One thing I'd find interesting if the fins do hire Brian is that Mangini would already have his own tree!
Some day you must explain your love for Nugent in detail cause he is going to cause to us a roster spot to find a guy who can KO for TBs rather then Nuge who can only reach the 10/15 yd line so we are ALWAYs at a disadvantage whenever we KO
I love how everyone is asking if we get compensation or if we can say no, or why didn't we say no when we just did the same thing last season with Mangini. If anyone could have said no, it would have been Bellichick.
Schotty's not getting a job this year, and I'd say it's greater than a 75% chance he doesn't get one after next season, regardless of the success we have. Mangini was a rare case when hiring HCs, not all young assistants will be (or should be) viewed like Mangini. He had 3 SB rings and was the top assistant and right hand man of the greatest coach of this generation. Schottenheimer is neither.
Mangini has 3 rings as a Defensive Backs/Defensive Quality Control Coach. He was a Coordinator for the same 1 year that Shottenheimer was. I hope shottenheimer stays, but he is exactly like Mangini, 1 year removed from being a position coach and never was a head coach at any level.
Do you think Huizenga thought he was interviewing MARTY Schottenheimer, and not Brian? Huizenga is a smart business man, and seeing that they are interested in Cam Cameron (Schotty Jr.'s mentor at SD) he may be getting a feel for how Cameron leads an organization by picking the brain of his protege under the ruse of a HC job interview.
It might be a good hire. He's 3 years younger than Mangini and definitely has less experience on a stable winning franchise. I don't think I'd hire him if I was the Dolphins. They're gonna go 4-12 next year and they'd catch hell for doing that with a 32 year old coach even if it was not his fault, which it wouldn't be.
I'm sure you can find an identical comment from me last year when the Mangini rumors were floating around...
This is what I'm saying. The Dolphins have multiple problems that can't be fixed in a year or possibly even two. Unlike the Jets, who were bombarded with injuries in last year's 4-12 but who at least had some existing talent to work with and a string of starters who just needed to get healthy to start again, Miami, with the exception of a several players, pretty much needs a total makeover. Add to that a FO in disarray and a handful of second-tier coaches who were loyel to Saban and who now are wondering WTF to do with themselves and you've got a team that would be a nightmare to step into and try to turn around. This is a job for an experienced, Bill Parcells/Dick Vermeil kind of coach. One who's used to handling the reins and knows all the facets. Schottenheimer would go in there and probably fail miserably for several seasons in a row. It would do nothing but damage his career, hinder his development and mark him as a loser. He's better off walkig into Woody's office, asking him for a nice raise, and promising to stay here for at least another two years.
He's the son of the great Marty Schottenheimer! And he looks like the adult Screech Powers for crying out loud! He's as ready as he'll ever be!
Well, I personally think Huizenga needs his head examined too. I can't believe that a guy who is supposedly as sharp as he is (you can't prove that by me, not based upon how he naively let Saban jerk him off and promise him and the press the moon while doing a full-court press for the Alabama job)... I can't believe this guy is buying into all this "copy-cat" business anyway. This is like a game of musical chairs these guys are playing, going after younger and younger coaches with little or no experience. Just because it worked with Eric Mangini (I hope one season was enough to tell) doesn't mean it's going to work with every 22 year-old ball-boy who happens to be working for a winning team. Huizenga needs a total makeover down there. I think the guy either has a screw loose or is losing it, going after someone with little or no experience for a job that requires previous HC'ing experience and more. The only other reason I can think of for him to be reaching out for Schottenheimer is, like I say, to be the spoiler for the Jets. By even "interviewing" him, if that's what it'll even be, he propels Schottenheimer's name to the top of many other lists of people to consider this year and next year. The bastard would like nothing better than to see the Jets have to scramble for another OC after only one year.
Here's the problem: unlike the Jets job the Dolphins job is not a marquee position. The franchise has been historically successful but it's a second rate market and it's fan base, while rabid, is not hugely supportive. This is why you can ALWAYS get good seats to a Jets-Fins game in Miami on relatively short notice. In Pittsburgh you'd be lucky to get in the stadium but in Miami you can be on the 40 near field level and it does not cost a mint to do. Now throw in the fact that the last three coaches to try to turn the Dolphins around (Johnson, Wannstedt and Saban) all left under a bit of a cloud and I just think it's a very different scenario than the Jets for a young coach to come in and deal with in his first job. The Jets were a bad team headed into the Parcells years and had been for half a decade. They had been terrible the two previous seasons. So Parcells-Groh-Edwards was a step up for the franchise and the fans and left a much more stable situation for Mangini to inherit. Right now the Fins fans are angry, bitter and not in a particularly forgiving mood. You give a 32 year old his first coaching job in that environment at your own peril (and his.) On Herm and Saban: about 75% of the Jets fans were happy to let go of Herm when he went. Probably half of us would have been ok if he stayed but very few of us were crying when he walked out the door. With Saban it was the exact opposite. Fins fans largely wanted him to stay and saw him as a good coach right up until the minute he turned into a hated man in Miami.
That post was well thought out but unfortunately it flies in the face of what you just lived through for the last 12 months in Mangini. Eric was making copies in the Cleveland Brown PR department not less than 8 years ago... I personally think that Schottenheimers offense was a HUGE factor in the teams success this year and I have posted this many times in the past... I was one of the skeptics last year who didn't think Mangenuis was ready.. I was wrong.. Who else is Wayne going to hire? Some other lsoer re-tread like Norv turner or a bright young talent whose grown up around Pro-football?
But Sean, surely you see a difference in what both teams require (required). The Jets a year ago had a different set of circumstances than the Miami Dolphins face today. The Jets were decimated with injuries to most of our starters, including a pretty decent QB with double-shoulder surgery. But these would all heal. Also, Mike Tannenbaum was very close to Mangini, knew him personally, knew of his qualities and was also able to convince Woody that he could work very successfully with Mangini if Woody would bring him in here. Tannenbaum wasn't "copycatting" anything. He really knew the guy well, had worked with him and personally knew of his talents enough to convince Woody the gamble would work and the guy could be successful and that he'd be there to assist in that endeavor as well. Not so in Miami. The place is in such disarray, all you need is Robin Williams' gay Hispanic housekeeper in "The Bird Cage" running around the lockerroom in his speedo to put the icing on the cake. The place is a nuthouse right now!
Well, my nightmare is not that he hires Schottenheimer, it's that he pry's Parcells away from the Cowboys and 90% of the nonsense in Miami goes away. Who do I think the Fins are likely to hire? The usual cast of suspects: Ron Rivera, Ken Whisenhunt, etc. The other scenario that would worry me as a Jets fan would be that Huizenga hired Cowher as a consultant to work with Randy Mueller and an interim head coach. That head coach might or might not be a Brian Schottenheimer type who would then step back to being either OC/assistant head coach or DC/assistant head coach the following season as Cowher took the reins.
I agree... Miami hiring an inexperienced guy is probably the lesser of all evils for us, even if it is Schottenheimer. But I also think Schottenheimer would have to be Harry Hudini to succeed in Miami and he won't get it done, IMO. He'd fail for a number of reasons even if he worked his ass off 23 hours a day. It would be a shame for him too, because he'll propbably make a good HC one of these days, just not now (or in several years) in Miami. Our best hope is he buys into this copy-cat horseshit and hires Wisenhut or some other coordinator, and then the NFL finds out several years from now how rare it is to go get a guy with little or no experience and have hime duplicate what Eric Mangini was able to accomplish here in NY in one short season. Believe me (and I don't think I'm wrong here), this is not going to be duplicated with the same degree of success anytime soon. Hiring young, inexperienced "copy-cats" is probably going to end badly for a lot of teams who try the same thing the Jets tried.
no problem....doug brien. not in detail enough? ill go further...even before DB killer kick in Pitt, i wanted a new kicker. sure, you can always get a kicker, most are a dime a dozen...look at Dal cutting vandernuts and signing automatica...but Nugent has made big time kicks in big time places in college. hes drilled them through in front of close to 100,000 at OSU, with pressure. I was stoked when we drafted him. Sure he had a shit rookie year, but you look at his numbers starting from game 2 this year, hes been a stud. I really wouldnt care if we had to use up a roster spot for a KO specialist if Nugent can be automatic when we roll him out. if hes 3 points almost everytime he takes the field, i can deal with the fact that KOs need to be done by someone else. finding a great kicker is tougher than finding a guy who can boot it inside the 20. ill take accuracy between the hashmarks over TBs and KOs..extra roster spot be damned.... and doug brien. :smile:
