Executive Post Mortem .... 35 years & I've lost my mind

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone has absolved Zach of blame.
     
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    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Agree. I was just trying to counter poster who seemed to imply the difference between Rodgers and Zach was Rodgers' training in GB.
     
  3. AllHackettsSuck

    AllHackettsSuck Well-Known Member

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    Can they BOTH be bad?
     
  4. westiedog1

    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but I'd like to go on record that I don't think we can say Zach is a bust as of right now. I remember last year Saleh saying, in response to someone questioning Zach's readiness, if you could see what we see in practice you wouldn't be questioning him. And remember Josh Allen a few weeks ago saying it takes a while for a QB to figure it out. So, I think getting that talent to translate on the field is the problem for Zach. The problem for the Jets is that they have accumulated enough talent to win now. If they don't get better QB play from Zach, or someone else, they risk a lot of that talent they've accumulated wanting to play somewhere else when their contracts are up in a few years.
     
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    And I think this is what prompted the firing/resignation of LaFleur.
     
  6. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    I think the much bigger picture was the Jets lost too many games over the last two years and the biggest reason was an ineffective offense. I understand that people who were heavily invested in individual players may want to continue to focus on the player.
     
  7. Patriot

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    Wow, a cruel reality indeed on your part being expressed to the executive.

    There are many pieces required to have a successful football team and sometimes luck doesn't hurt. If I could use the Patriot model of the past that was successful, it requires many pieces.

    If we start with coaching, Belichick benefitted from some good people in the past. It is not just having a good OC for example. The Pats benefitted by having the best OL coach in Dante Scarnecchia. Then there was Ernie Adams football research mad scientist. Josh McDaniels is a lousy head coach, but a great OC. Brian Daboll, Nick Caserio, Brian Flores, Chad O'Shea, Ivan Fears, Joe Judge, Bill O'Brian, Scott Pioli, Dean Pees, Eric Mangini, Thomas Dimitroff, Romeo Crennel, Rob Ryan, Charlie Weis, and Dick Rehbein (responsible for Brady being Brady).

    I could continue, but hopefully, you get my point.
     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Fields is about 90% to flame out to a serious injury. When you look at running QB's look at how many fumbles they have. Not fumbles lost, overall fumbles. Those are a clear indicator of hard hits while they're running and they're indicative of the player's likely fate.

    Andrew Luck had 44 fumbles over 6 seasons. RGIII had 23 over his first 2 seasons. Daunte Culpepper had 66 over his first 4 seasons as a starter. Justin Fields has 28 over 2 seasons.

    Toast. Almost guaranteed.
     
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