I’ll preface this all by saying I believe Saleh has done a pretty good job in righting the ship. He’s been a good game manager all season despite the fact that he’s shit his pants the past two weeks. The culture seems turned around and the players are playing hard as fuck for him despite our trash QB play. I always felt that Jerry and Sean Payton believed McCarthy would eat dicks this year at around .500 and be an easy fire for Payton to take over for the next 6 years before he retires. That didn’t happen. The only other extremely attractive job would be the Chargers and if they make the playoffs, I doubt they make the move. Should we pursue?
Of course I'd be good with it, but I don't think Payton would be interested in this job unless he gets full control.
Last year I wouldve been jumping up and down for this..... while Saleh still has his flaws (especially last two weeks), compared to last year I see big improvement. I'm a fan of payton, but sorta feel that dumping this guys for the shiny other toy seems like a SOJ to me.... and create another round of "who's in charge" dynamic of the JETS (that being said, not the worst thing, an I'm sure it would help the QB situation)
If he goes anywhere, he's going to the Chargers. A coach in his position wants a franchise quarterback in place.
With Payton you get the finished product so you know exactly what you’re getting. With Saleh we are left wondering at this time if he is ever going to be able to get his OC to fix his flaws or if he is going to let MLF do what he wants even when it’s not working like Rex did with Schotty. We know how that turned out. Plus Saleh still learning other aspects of the job like knowing when to make a change to put the team in the best position to win. He could have benched Zach sooner when it was clear as daylight that he was hurting and holding the team back. He could have listened to the other players on the offense and benched him sooner to have a better chance of making the playoffs.Zach should have been benched at the half of the first Pats game and we probably would have beaten the Pats twice.
Zach played pretty good in that first half until his interception and the team was winning. If he was benched at halftime, it would have been insane. Now the second game? Yes, halftime would have made sense. Definitely after the 3rd quarter. Still blows my mind Saleh did nothing. I was happy with Saleh honestly, but after the last 2 games at home, I would understand letting him go for Payton. I will say that just because Dallas is going to the playoffs, that doesn't mean Jerry Jones won't go through with that plan. He could still do that with anything less than a Super Bowl appearance. I doubt that would shock anyone.
This Is a hard one. Especially seeing what Pederson Is doing with TL this season. I feel like that would've been a good hire potentially too. I think I pass though. It has nothing to do with his coaching acumen, obviously. He can navigate a football team with the most important piece set on the team. Which Is QB. He walked Into a great situation with a young Drew Brees, he never had the adversity of being a HC without knowing who he had at the most important position In football. If I'm honest, I have a feeling he won't coach unless he has a similar setup to walk Into. With a promising stud at QB, to navigate everything around. We obviously don't have that right now, unless MW turns out to be the real deal, nobody knows and odds are we don't. Also.. I don't love that he bailed as soon as his golden boy decided to step away. I guess that's not entirely true, he did play out one more year, yeah? I'm sick and don't feel like looking It up. He did okay though his last year I think, made Winston look competent. Yeah, damn. That Is tough. Fuck It, I'm good with Saleh, I wouldn't hate hiring him either If we did. I'll just plant my flag there I guess.
I don’t think Payton is as much of a full control guy as you think he is. Mickey Loomis was in place for a long time making the personnel decisions and the majority of them were to bolster the defensive side of the ball. That’s not to say that Payton would automatically be OK with trusting the next GM he walked into, but there are less coaches that demand full control than the fans think. Harbaugh is the only one I can think of right now considering he had a miserable experience with his only NFL GM that he ended up being right about. I’m not 100% sold that Payton would be a slam dunk move either. I heard it brought up on Tiki & Tierney so I figured it’d be a good discussion.
Does Payton want to coach again? Would he want to coach the Jets? Really? I'd be afraid we'd be getting another Joe Walton - a guy past his "Sell By Date" looking to retire in place. And even if he did want to come here, it would mean almost starting from scratch with a whole new system - again! - and him wanting more control than Douglas would likely want to give him. At this point I'm willing to give Saleh another year or two assuming the team continues to play hard for him and improve before I say "Pull the plug". But if Saleh doesn't work out I hope they finally hire an experienced winning offensive minded coach for a change.
Dude! ..but what about that offensive juggernaut, Adam Gase? What a legit offensive minded coach he was for this team. Who would've ever thought that would end the way it did? haha It Is a joke. I get It, CC. I am with you though. Fortunately I do think Saleh has a lot of potential, I do. Mostly though, I don't want to start over again either. It's exhausting. As you know.
Payton wants to coach again. He “retired” because Brees retired and the Saints sold their soul to get into the worst cap hell in the league the past couple years to try to get Brees a second ring. He strikes me as a guy that wants to die coaching on the field.
Let me put a different spin/perspective on this. With this fan base and the way this city chews up sports figures, I wouldn't touch the NY Jets OR Giants job with a 10 ft. pole. The ONLY top name coach to come this team in the last 50 years was Parcells and he had the resume and, let's face it, the "jock" to handle the rabid fan base. No one with any design on a long term coaching future is ever going to come to the Jets. Let's face it we have the patience of a 2 yr. old and when we don't get our way "we" put up billboards to get them fired. What other team(s) in major professional sports does that? When was the last time a NY Jets head coach got another head coaching gig and amounted to anything? The last 2, Bowles and Ryan, haven't looked good. Ryan lasted 2 years in Buffalo and I'd be willing to bet Bowles, who lucked into that, will be gone at the end of the year. THAT team underachieved BIG time! Nope, I don't care how much $$ the Jets throw at a guy like Peyton he'd never risk his legacy coming to this nightmare.
You're right about not benching him at the half of the first Pats game. I only watch the youtube highlights as I have no access to the live games. It's at 2AM here. But after the first interception when he was way out of the pocket with zero pressure and he throws the ball low inside the sideline where it got intercepted when he could have thrown it out of bounds thirty feet high yes. Something was definetely wrong with his thinking there which led to the other two interceptions.
If they are still thinking they can fix Zach then hiring Payton or someone similar makes sense. I think this is a Woody move though and would mean tearing down the entire FO and CS that has delivered undoubted progress. It's not a finished product yet by any means but the progress in areas of the team not named QB which, if anything, are significantly ahead of schedule is enough for me to want the current team to take things forward despite the collapse. It would be such a Woody marketing move you can't rule it out but I fear it would be risking breaking everything that has been built in order to repair the one malfunctioning part. You could move that part toward but still be worse off overall.
Saleh isn't going anywhere, Jets will have to ride the contract out, NFL has already told teams that were crying about all the $ they were carrying for coaches who were dismissed, they need to start being patient
If Sean Payton wants to come here, you fire everybody and let him. No sacred cows. Woody won't, but he should.
If it were Cohen that owned the Jets, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Woody isn't a rock the boat kinda guy. More of a shadow dweller. As long as he gets to pick the game day colors, he feels involved in game day decisions. Given the choice, I'm sure Payton would rather coach a team with Justin Herbert as the veteran FQB already in place as opposed to the QB situation here. Only a newbie HC looking for his first shot would consider stepping into this shitshow given the circumstances. Since we already have one of those here, lets just pour a stiff drink and look forward to the day the CS/FO gets the QB situation straightened out. 2025 or bust!
