If Zach played like Allen....

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by BudJet, Nov 13, 2022.

  1. BudJet

    BudJet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,562
    Likes Received:
    2,888
    The past 3 weeks Allen threw 6 interceptions, 4 in the red zone, and fumbled a sure win in the end zone in what was a sure win. If that was Zach the media as well as Jet fans would be calling for his head. With a win next week vs.Patriots, we would be in first place in afc east with wins over Bill's & Dolphins & Patriots.
     
    #1 BudJet, Nov 13, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2022
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    32,352
    Likes Received:
    30,713
    Who cares? Allen will likely go to the playoffs again which will make it 4/5 of the seasons he’s been in the NFL. The leeway to being ripped apart is earned, not given automatically.

    Wilson doesn’t get unfairly criticized. He gets criticized based on his performance every week because he hasn’t been established as a top notch player. You might as well insert Mahomes in your post every time you put Allen.
     
    #2 Jonathan_Vilma, Nov 13, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2022
  3. BudJet

    BudJet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,562
    Likes Received:
    2,888
    The comparison was to show that even the great quarterbacks have their bad days so let's give Zach some slack when he has his bad days
     
  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    32,352
    Likes Received:
    30,713
    Nah it’s a dumb comparison. A great all world franchise QB (odds on favorite to win the SB by the way) having a bad day is different than a bad young QB having a bad day. One of which who has had more bad days than good days.

    Nothing indicates Zach Wilson’s career is over or he can’t be a good QB. But these comparison threads and statements to guys who are on the road to getting gold jackets are dumb. The same statements can be made about any quarterback in the league. Should we give John Wofford more slack for being trash because Josh Allen had a bad day?
     
    Nyjets4eva, James Hasty, Br4d and 8 others like this.
  5. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    25,766
    Likes Received:
    20,188
    Allen has had a few tough weeks.

    Hope it continues.
     
  6. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,233
    Likes Received:
    9,922
    Allen will get the benefit of the doubt because he has a track record of being elite. Zach, OTOH, will not because he doesn't.
     
  7. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    25,766
    Likes Received:
    20,188
    I expressed a similar thought as the OP in the Around the NFL thread.
    But I was comparing fans... not quarterbacks.

    Browsing a Bills forum and it's amazing how many Buffalo fans blame everything but Josh Allen.
     
  8. Jets69

    Jets69 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    4,715
    Likes Received:
    3,281
    LoL!! Get over it, Allen is one of the top QBs in the league, Wilson stinks, hell even Geno Smith is having a great season, Jets are winning inspite of Zach period.
     
    Nyjets4eva likes this.
  9. Jets79

    Jets79 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2020
    Messages:
    2,667
    Likes Received:
    5,323
    yeah I gotta pile on here too…these kinds of posts are kind of dumb, right?

    Allen has proven to be one of the best QBs playing today…if and when Zach develops and delivers what Allen has, then he too will get the benefit of the doubt.

    he hasn’t done it yet so he doesn’t get that benefit.
     
  10. hornblower

    hornblower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,506
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    This is Allen's fifth season. He is a real good QB. and a class act. But earlier he was very prone to turnovers. Mahomes didn't play his first season. Rodgers sat early as well. It takes time to become a good leader. Enjoy the process.
     
  11. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2016
    Messages:
    15,195
    Likes Received:
    22,354
    If Zach played the first seven games like Allen and then had back-to-back bad games, Jets fans would most definitely not be calling for his head.
     
  12. MDJets

    MDJets Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Well ZW has to get there first, to the elite status as Allen.
    Allen tied the game and despite the INT nearly won the game. Yes some errant throws and costly INTs have doomed him.

    His elbow isn’t right either.
     
    Nyjets4eva likes this.
  13. hornblower

    hornblower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,506
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Did you see the fumble today on the one yard line? Wow!
     
  14. Wut?

    Wut? Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2008
    Messages:
    846
    Likes Received:
    703
    I know Herbert has been injured, but has he regressed this season? He also has two star receivers out.
     
  15. dawinner127

    dawinner127 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    11,610
    Likes Received:
    12,038
    At what point do people start worrying about Allen in close games though.

    2-9 in his last 11 one score games isn't ideal.
     
  16. CaptainCap

    CaptainCap Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2020
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    306
    A lot of the young QB's have had uneven performances. Trevor Lawrence who was supposed to be a Football God has had a tough time. It was also unfortunate that in his first year he had a Head Coach that was worse than Adam Gase.
     
  17. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,570
    Likes Received:
    4,958
    Who knows about that but what about bad coaching. Bad coaching lost that game and lost the KC playoff game.
     
  18. Jets79

    Jets79 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2020
    Messages:
    2,667
    Likes Received:
    5,323
    I didn’t see the whole game, but didn’t Allen fumble a snap in his own end zone? If he doesn’t do that, the Vikings don’t go up in that game with under a minute to play. So that’s not on coaching that’s on execution of the most basic play in football…hiking the ball.

    we’re there other coaching blunders earlier in the game?
     
  19. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,570
    Likes Received:
    4,958
    Not kicking the field goal to go up by 13 then throwing a 4th down pick. That gave the Vikings huge momentum. Game over if they kick the field goal.
     
    CaptainCap likes this.
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    26,052
    Likes Received:
    26,815
    The Bills are having issues in that locker room. I could see it coming apart for them. I think the new coordinator and the players don't get along. Allen is showing signs of low energy and frustration.

    reminds me a lot of the 2011 Jets who were everyone's choice to make the Super Bowl, they had a lot of veteran voices too. They lost some close games late and eventually imploded internally
     

Share This Page