Schefter: Zach Wilson with Bone Bruise & Meniscus Tear (out 2-4 weeks)

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  1. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    You don’t win with those. You keep trying until you have a top tier QB. Until you have a top tier QB you have nothing in this league.
     
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    I think there was some confusion on Jamarcus’ part. He’d heard 50Cent made $100m as a spokesman for purple drank so he tried to follow suit. No one explained that 50’s purple drank was grape flavored vitamin water.
     
  3. donkey

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    50 Cent's real name is Arthur Dollar. To be fair the gag works better in a London accent.
     
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    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    Your Giants won with Eli and I'd never consider him a top tier QB.
     
  5. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Bar Brady in the last 20 years who are the top tier QB's that have been paid top dollar and winning multiple SB's?

    The Mannings, one was top class the other not

    Ben the sex pest x 2 3 finals in a very long career, very good, top class?

    Foles, Stafford and Johnson all won the SB and are hardly top class.

    Wilson and Mahomes are top class and cost a shit ton of cash but as of yet only one ring.

    Rogers is probably the finest example of a top class QB costing his team but that may be due to him becoming a bottler in the play offs lol
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Second time I have seen this referenced, any proof he is an imposter?
     
  7. REVISion

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    Over the last 20 years, these are the Super Bowl-winning QBs:

    Matt Stafford
    Tom Brady
    Patrick Mahomes
    Tom Brady
    Nick Foles
    Tom Brady
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Russell Wilson
    Joe Flacco
    Eli Manning
    Aaron Rodgers
    Drew Brees
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Eli Manning
    Peyton Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Tom Brady
    Tom Brady
    Brad Johnson

    How many Super Bowls, out of 20, were won by QBs who weren't at least very good? I think we can say at most 5 - Johnson, Eli 2X, Flacco, and Foles - and most of those guys played pretty damn well during the playoffs those years.

    So we'll say 15/20 of the last Super Bowl winners had QBs who were very good+.

    For the crowd that seems to think we don't need a very good QB to succeed - would you rather follow the gameplan of teams that win the Super Bowl 75% of the time or 25% of the time?
     
  8. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    When very good QB's cost 1bn on their second contract what do you do then?

    Also, you have to take Brady out of the equation as he is an anomaly on every stat, he wasn't paid like the superstar QB he was, well not on the correct books, that's for sure.
     
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    Almost none of the QBs on that list were on their rookie contract.

    It would make no sense to take Brady off the list because odds are his Super Bowls would've just been won by a different elite QB. Even if you take Brady off the list entirely and assume every single one of his victories would've been by a non-good QB then the ratio of good to non-good QB winners would still be 1:1. There is zero leg to stand on for the "you don't need a good QB" crowd.

    Again, nobody is saying it's impossible to win without a good QB. We're just asking why any team would choose to follow a strategy (not prioritizing QB) that is provably successful far less often than the alternative?

    For what it's worth, recent studies on contribution to winning vs. average salary show that QBs are actually underpaid relative to how important they are for winning games:



    Yes, QBs are THAT important.
     
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    Exactly, how many QBs repeated on their second huge contract? Brady took repeated pay cuts, Peyton’s second one was when he was paid way less and he wasn’t the reason they won. Eli never got paid what those other guys got.
     
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    I think teams won’t say it out loud, but it’s better to have that superstar QB even if you likely won’t win a second one, if you are perennially in the hunt for one.
     
  12. REVISion

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    Of the guys on that list, only 4 were on their rookie contracts. Removing the guys on rookie contracts does absolutely nothing to change the takeaway here.
     
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    I see your overall point. But, are we sure we want to put Foles in the "very good" club.
     
  14. Pepsiguy5

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    He's in the club that is NOT "at least very good"

    So we're safe :)
     
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    Drafting anyone based on a COVID schedule/season was our mistake. JD should have traded the #2, and let Darnold play out his final year. Now we have Darnold 2.0.

    You could have drafted Mills who has emerged a solid QB worth developing much later in the draft.

    Instead we prodded out yet another non NFL ready college QB. And we have to hope he figures this shit out on a bum knee.
     
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  16. bicketybam

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    Is have to go back through his posts but last year he was blowing smoke up the Giants' asses.
     
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    If Zach stinks (and the rest of the class does) then yeah you’re right. Honestly they should have traded him too and rolled with a filler.

    it’s unfair though to think that every single one of this guys would bust. It’s possible though.
     
  18. typeOnegative13NY

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    Could really throw a wrench in there and make it 21 years
     
  19. JETFUEL1580

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    I read it to fast. thanks for pointing it out lol. Disregard my prior post.
     
  20. Ralebird

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    What's "blatantly obvious" is your reading comprehension (still) sucks.

    I didn't miss anything at all, not even the part that you want to forget about: "and when he did play last year, he was the worst starting quarterback in the league."

    Do you really think he wrote it because it didn't matter? It's more than blatantly obvious that was on his mind. He carried the haystack of prior injuries and a crap rookie year but he didn't forget them until he saw the most recent Wilson exhibition as the final straw.
     
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