Jets medical staff...

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  1. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    might be the worst in the NFL.
     
  2. Noam

    Noam Well-Known Member

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    One has to wonder after two straight years of so many injuries what the problem is. I know JD commissioned a study to look at the Jets problem with injuries and changed the training staff but the problem is still ongoing. Is it just bad luck? That can happen in small sample sizes. Is the Turf a problem? Lawson and Wilson's injury came on the road. Becton's injury this year, according to Dr. Chao, could have been prevented if they did more serious surgery last year year to prevent the knee cap from coming up although he did not say it was Becton or the Jets who chose the type of surgery. But, the team sure seems cursed.
     
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  3. bleedgreen

    bleedgreen Well-Known Member

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    I do wonder at the jets medical woes. Perhaps the coaching staff has the wrong approach. below is a recent article from the wall st journal (am I allowed to post this?) discussing a very different approach to preventing injuries.



    There’s a room in the Los Angeles Rams’ facility called the barbershop. Players know they can walk in there and freely talk about their aches and pains, or just about anything else they want to discuss. The space even has a barber pole hanging outside, but nobody goes there to get their haircut.

    It’s the team’s training room. And it’s the focal point of the Rams’ effort to reduce injury through a combination of communication, analytics and an embrace of modern training methods.

    There’s a long list of reasons the Rams are the reigning Super Bowl champions and among the favorites to win another title this year. Coach Sean McVay is a wizard who wears a headset. Defensive lineman Aaron Donald is one of the most destructive forces to ever throw on pads and a helmet. And in a violent sport notorious for injuries, the Rams have outpaced their competition in a crucial category: keeping their players healthy.

    The team has tackled one of football’s thorniest issues by not approaching it as a strict medical problem. The Rams try to solve it with data.

    It has paid off to the tune of a Lombardi Trophy. In a sport where injuries seem completely random, the Rams have been in the top five in avoiding missed games due to them—for five straight years.

    “You’re working smart,” McVay says. “But most importantly, too, you’re working efficiently.”

    McVay doesn’t claim credit for this. The one person who everyone close to the Rams touts is Reggie Scott, who was the youngest head trainer in modern NFL history before McVay was the youngest coach. Scott, who’s now the team’s vice president of sports medicine and performance, doesn’t simply attribute the Rams’ success to his decade-plus of experience in the job. He also points to the numbers that are flooding football.

    The Rams have been one of the NFL’s healthiest teams. The team’s vice president of sports medicine and performance Reggie Scott says it’s about the team’s belief in data.
    Chips and tracking technology have quantified what people used to estimate or judge with their eyes. Any fan with access to the internet can easily find out the average separation a wide receiver gets from defenders on his routes or the amount of time, down to the hundredth of a second, running backs spend behind the line of scrimmage.

    The cutting edge of football is trying to figure out how to harness these still relatively new gushers. Teams incorporate them into player evaluations and decision making. The Rams did just that when they found a future Super Bowl Most Valuable Player named Cooper Kupp in the third round of the draft. They also use it to guide their sports science.

    “We’ve always had our intuition, our gut,” Scott says. “Now we’ve got data to confirm our gut.”

    Ten years ago, Scott remembers watching practices and thinking players were fatigued. Now they can objectively confirm it. Scott and people around the team—including trainers and an analytics department that culls the information on an in-house software system—track metrics like how many yards a player has run at a high speed or their acceleration and deceleration times. There are more data points collected in the weight room. Any step or bodily action could be a red flag that something is amiss.

    The goal is to snuff out potential injuries before they happen. An acute spike in measured workload, for instance, can put players at higher risk for certain ailments, Scott says. When a players’ numbers begin sharply deviating from his norm, it could be a sign that something is wrong.

    They also don’t blindly rely on spreadsheets. Scott calls it marrying the objective with the subjective—which they also have a process to distill. Twice a week, Rams players fill out a survey about how they’re feeling. When the answers in those questionnaires dovetail with a trend or metric they’ve observed, they know they’re onto something.

    That’s also why the atmosphere of the training room is so important. As much as anything, the players need to trust Scott and his team because most NFL players have an extraordinary incentive to think about hiding any injury. Contracts aren’t guaranteed. Toughness is gospel.

    Scott wants a relaxed environment and cultivated the barbershop experience so thoroughly that he got back from a game a few years ago and found that Kupp had purchased the swirling barbershop pole to put up. Injuries, Scott adds, can leave players distraught so he wants to keep the conversations casual and cheerful. He feels like the barber who’s simultaneously chopping it up with everyone while going about his job.

    “I’ve always said that when they come into the training room, we always want to really have a positive, upbeat feel to it,” he says.

    For it to work, McVay has to be willing to make practices lighter based on trends around the team, in the interest of keeping players fresh over the course of a season that’s now 17 games. He also has to be accommodating when the numbers indicate it’s wise to give a player time off not because he’s hurt—but because their process indicates he could be at increased risk of landing on the shelf.

    McVay admits when he was hired as a 30-year-old in 2017, his instinct was to go, go, go. But it didn’t take him long to learn about what he calls the “sports science advantage” from Scott. Now McVay rejects the old-school notion of needing grueling five-hour practices every day while preaching a progressive ramp-up during training camp to make sure his players are as fit as possible.

    “It’s really all about balancing the volume, the intensity, the tactical while also making sure that you’re cognizant of avoiding some of the soft-tissue injuries,” McVay says.


    There’s proof that this is working. While teams typically display little, if any, consistency in their success at keeping players on the field every year, the Rams have completely defied that. Since 2017—McVay’s first year as coach—the Rams have ranked in the top-five every season in fewest games missed due to injury, according to mangameslost.com, a website that tracks injury trends. Scott says their internal metrics align with those findings.

    The team isn’t completely immune to injuries. Star receiver Odell Beckham Jr. went down in the Super Bowl with a knee injury. Quarterback Matthew Stafford is currently nursing an elbow issue. Bones will still break and muscles will inevitably tear.

    That’s why it’s an exercise in reduction not elimination. Soft-tissue injuries, like sore hamstrings for instance, may be more preventable than a broken finger.


    But Scott also believes the injuries that look like freak accidents may also show up in the numbers. Maybe, for instance, a player suffered an injury on a play because he was clearly fatigued and his form deteriorated, leading to whatever went wrong.

    “We can’t predict injuries, right?” Scott says.

    “Do I think we can reduce the environment for an increase in injury?” he adds. “Absolutely.”

    For the Rams, figuring out how to manage all of this is more important than ever. They played in the last game of the last NFL season. They play in the first game of this one Thursday night against the Buffalo Bills.

    The shortest offseason in football is the reward for winning the Super Bowl.
     
  4. papapump

    papapump Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible that they could be the Mets staff as well?
     
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  5. CotcheryFan

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    Giants might be worse.
     
  6. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    All luck of the draw if you ask me.
     
  7. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    When I clicked the thread I thought it was just going to say "Sucks." but you went the extra mile and wrote a few more words. Nice work! :)
     
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  8. LAJet

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    Well, tongue in cheek of course, but more like the miserable luck of of one bad draw after another
     
  9. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    First thing that came to mind...
     
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  10. MoWilkBeast

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    I think a lot of this is just down to bad luck. Wilson was in Philly and non-contact so I don't think you can attach any blame to the Jets at all. Becton's injury I suspect was because they wanted to get him back last season and did a shorter term op that ended up being long term and has come back to bite them - if reports about a bigger proceedure dealing with the kneecap are accurate anyway. And Brown, who knows. I'm not sure the Jets have more injuries than other teams, its just that they seem to be high profile, key players.
     
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  11. No Fly Zone

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    There were similar discussions years ago when too many guys had hammy's, quad's and soft tissue injuries, same with the NY Mutts staff years ago. These guys must talk with each other, and they all seem to develop similar approaches. How about stop listening to the "other guys" and find out what works in your own sport.

    Years ago I had an elbow issue, (still do, can't fully extend) went to a top sports Ortho guy in Marlboro NJ that treated Spankees, Mutts, Igles and Phillies. I told him I didn't want the symptoms treated I wanted the condition fixed. Moron took an xray, no MRI, gave me a cortosone shot and physical therapy. I told him he was an idiot, any 1st year resident could have done that. Never went back. I don't trust any of these "experts".
     
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  12. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    All downhill after Sal Alosi got kicked to the curb.
     
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  13. Ralebird

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    Dr. Chao seems to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't see the xrays and MRIs, view the procedures or lay a hand on the patient. He's a specialist in 20/20 hindsight.
     
  14. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Dr Chao also said he thought Zach Wilson tore his ACL.
     
  15. NYJetsO12

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    ...Paging MDJets

    ....Paging MDJets

    lol
     
  16. mpjohnny5

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    Anyone ever hear of Ben Patrick kneesovertoesguy he was on Rogans podcast? Maybe jets staff should take a page out this guys book and go against the norm with training, might actually help with all these non contact knee injuries.
     
  17. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    There's no way of knowing whether the Jets' medical staff is incompetent, or we are just unlucky with injuries. It wouldn't hurt for ownership and JD to really do a deep dive into this. Too big an investment in players not to.
     
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  18. HomeoftheJets

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    Fixed for you.
     
  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It might be. But it also might just probably be league after and the roster has no depth so each injury is more impactful than other teams.
     
  20. ColoradoContrails

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    Thanks for this! I do think this is the right approach to take. The proof is in the numbers.
     

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